Monday, February 06, 2017

An open thread

Why limit ourselves to Trump?

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  1. Because SHE's not around anymore?

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  2. An amateur Security Plan. Sort of cures a non existent problem, revs the base and pisses off the world.

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  3. Apparently one of Minnesota's house members authored a Constitutional carry bill that has bi-partisan support. I guess we'll see how that turns out...

    Also, I predict that the craft beer bubble in the Twin Cities will begin to burst this year as well. Too much of a good thing. The market will correct.

    And something something superbowl...(didn't watch it).

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    1. Craft beer: if they become popular, they get swallowed by BigBeerBiz which while
      good for the young guys that started, produced and sold for healthy $$$$, confuses the craft brew customer. A few years back, I went to a nephew's wedding, a sort of post-hippy outdoor redneck affair.
      Up the N Fork of the Nooksack River which drains one
      of Mt. Baker's glaciers in the North Cascades National
      Recreation area. The preacher got an internet license the day prior and two hound dogs completed the couple's entourage. A few dozen amateur beer brewers
      provided liquid refreshments. I had one of each and
      forgot the rest of the wedding.

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    2. Not this craft brew customer. When we say local brew in NE Minneapolis we mean local brew (Indeed, Inbound, Able, Dangerous Man, Steel Toe, Bauhaus...). The only one on that list I've been known to drink from time to time is Lagunitas.

      One of our local brewers "Surly" is already getting a bit big for their britches and aside from their Todd the Axeman I haven't been drinking them either.

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    3. I have a couple of few friends that brew as well. One of them is also Cicerone certified and participates in frequent judging competitions. He brews probably the best Hefeweizen I've ever had.

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    4. I'm OK with hefeweisen, but after a few years of
      'try a new craft beer every time you eat here and win a t-shirt', I've developed an aversion to most
      of the IPAs. I'm pretty sure it is the bitterness . So as of late, I'm sticking
      with lagers and ales: always like Newcastle Brown, but I'm part English.

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  4. Because really there's nothing as bad as Trump. On a daily basis. When it couldn't possibly get any worse. It does.

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  5. Pull yourself together.

    New boss same as the old boss.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/01/22/yemen-reports-first-us-drone-strikes-under-trump/

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    1. Trump is the 45th boss. He appears to be quite the outlier so far from many perspectives. As I understand it, if one doesn't like the concept of
      presidency, one would detest them all. From an historical POV, he tweets more than a Jr. High girl
      and acts like Jr. High boy. The new boss is a Breitbart flunky, never been elected to anything
      and doesn't pay taxes..which tends to sit him a bit
      apart.

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    2. I try keep my critiques and assessments to policy. I don't think it is as black and white as people try to make it out to be. Obama commuted Manning's sentence before he left. I thought that was commendable (though he's surely been so mind screwed at this point).

      Trump told O'reilly in essence that Putin is no worse a killer than any American. That's a truth being spoken right there.

      I don't really "detest" presidents I am just not all that interested in the idea of political representation when so very few actually are representative of any idea(s) that I entertain. Further, government and politics equates to force. Force breeds resentment, frustration, and anger. It's just not my bag and I don't find any salvation in it. But hey...that's just my take on it.

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  6. File this under the I Could Be Totally Wrong Dept. and this is really a NYC story others farther out west may not be familiar with. Last Aug. 2 a 30-year old woman jogger by the name of Karina Vetrano of Howard Beach Queens went out for a jog in late afternoon and shortly thereafter was brutally raped, bludgeoned and murdered in a weedy off-trail section of a local park. Long story short it became a kind of 6 month cold case until the NYPD arrested a 20-year old black male yesterday and charged him with the crime that has gripped the City. They had this DNA profile of the potential criminal as DNA was left on her neck, hands and cell phone only problem was there was no match in the state or federal databases. Apparently there was a match with the man they just arrested and he has no prior criminal history which would explain the detectives being stymied for six long months in their forensics investigation. Now here's a possibility: after she was brutally killed perhaps this young black man came along and saw her body lying in the wooded area and natural instincts kicked in and he went over to try to revive her which would explain the DNA left at the scene. Being a black man maybe he thought if he called it in they'd eventually get around to accusing him and so he did nothing and went home. At least this is what I might come up with if I were a defense attorney.

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    1. That was in our paper this morning. If your legal defense was attempted revival, the prosecuting attorney would ask how the accused's DNA got so far under her fingernails. What a brave new world; our
      DNA is a microscopic footprint wherever we've been
      however long ago, and our written thoughts float free
      in the big magic E-cloud. Cavemen had fewer, but more important worries, ya know?

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    2. Just to juggle this around a bit a neighbor described the suspect as "slow." That's a broad term and can mean autism among other things. The police are notorious for coercing confessions out of people. Would it be overly hard to do this to a slow person?

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    3. The only other thing that struck me is those who are on his side (mostly family) point out he's 6' but lean and only 140 lbs. whereas she was young physically fit and maybe strong. Dunno.

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  7. Praise be to Gaga for keeping politics out of the Super Bowl. Meryl Streep take notes.

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    1. It was subtle I guess but not completely void. http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/02/lady-gaga-superbowl-halftime-show-political-statement-woody-guthrie

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    2. I can live with that.

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  8. Praise also from Pat Robertson this morning. God Almighty
    approves by inference. My wife watches CBS Morning, reads the paper and has breakfast and leaves the TV on. So, when
    I turn it off, I always catch a little of Pat's Holy Wisdom.
    He looks like a leprechaun. Did he play one in 'Finngan's
    Rainbow? To be fair, he doesn't look like a crook like some of the other TVangelists...who no doubt are.

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    1. Crooks might be preferable.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italian-priest-catholic-church-don-andrea-contin-accused-of-carrying-vibrators-sex-toys-masks-a7564096.html

      Crisis in the Church...crisis in the Priesthood.

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    2. You can't hate the guy.

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    3. No, sort of a fun guy; probably lightens up his
      exorcisms?

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    4. Him and his late sidekick the Rev. Jerry Falwell who used to say things like the tsunami was caused by gay marriage then they'd realize their mistake and issue the contextual corrections. Kind of like a sitcom thing.

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  9. In other news, it sucks that the Patriots won again.

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    1. The way the Falcons folded, it almost looked rigged.

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    2. I had the same thought. The Pats played lousy all night, sacks and almost-catches so not much time left in the game with the Falcons way ahead I changed the channel. I switched back and I was like wha'happened?

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  10. What's the deal with Bannon? He looks and acts sort of
    like an enforcer for the mob and Trump seems to like him
    like Nicholas II liked Rasputin . Hmmm, could that explain the Trump's burgeoning
    love affair with the Russian system?

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    1. He looks like one of those bad guys on one of those 70's cops shows.

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    2. He looks like a loser from Judge Judy's court.

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  11. I do think though that federal judges think they're the most powerful branch of the gov't. A president imo good or bad has some privileges, a certain executive scope.

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    1. Conventional thinking is congress makes the laws,
      the president carries out the laws and the judiciary
      determines if they meet the constitution. But, since
      the beginning, each branch seeks the upper hand.
      Politics, go figure.

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    2. I learned in HS History Class we have 3 co-equal branches of the gov't with descriptions like you just said. However seems to me many folk see the Judiciary as having the final say in most matters. I don't see it that way. It's like when Reagan fired those air-traffic controllers if a federal judge stepped in and said no you can't do that. Consensus thinking seems to say the president has quite a bit of latitude when it comes to immigration policy. After all you can't just let an unlimited number of people in just 'cause the NY Times thinks you're hateful. Since travel bans may be a related issue ditto.

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  12. Another 50 Shades movie coming out. The Brits may be stuffy but we'll never be known for our culture.

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    1. What does that make now, 100 shades? A couple more
      sequels and they will have enough shades to darken
      Mara Lago. A wide genre; we may see 50 shades of blue,
      50 shades of green. When the colors have all been used, they can go to 75 shades, and even into the
      near infrared and ultraviolet. Biggest thing since
      Disney discovered Davy Crocket. Still got your old
      coonskin hat?

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  13. That ELF hearing thing and the Hum you mentioned in a previous post -- most sufferers seem to not have it since birth or even their teen years so why the sudden onset? What triggers it? Is the CIA involved for you conspiracy buffs?

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    1. That would seem to be an important clue. To me, probably points to an event involving the inner ear
      system rather than the audio nerves. What would Occam say to that?

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    2. I'm just looking on who to blame. You'd think there'd be lawyer commercials on tv by now.

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    3. So the Yonkers Hum is caused by the inner ear?

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  14. The Bowling Green Massacre that never happened. There are some folks on the web who are seriously raising the question whether Kellyanne Conway is from an alternative universe.

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    1. The spokesperson pinup lady from alt-outerspace?

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    2. I'm just wondering if Trump realizes he hired a walking mandela effect. What does Michele Malkin have to say to that?

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  15. Thought on a previous topic. Why is it that when a young white middle-class or upper middle-class woman gets killed it's a huuuuge story in the press but when a black woman or prostitute gets killed it's a minor story. In the former detectives get feathers in their caps.

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  16. Attempting to stay abreast of all the important news: British Parliament says Trump may visit the country, but will not be permitted to address Parliament. (My guess,
    Yuuuuuge is an illegal adjective in England): O'Reilly offends Vlad Putin by calling him a killer (Trump replies,
    "Well aren't we all")...and so Putin is demanding an O'Reilly apology. Devoted 'No Spin Zone' watchers should
    note signs of advanced Polonium 210 poisoning. And..tragically, someone stole Tom Brady's winning jersey.
    How many Alpha Romeos were sold after their super bowl ads?

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    1. He's not a killer. It's just massively coincidental people who are critical of him either wind up dead or go into comas. What would Columbo say?

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  17. You're off the hook, since you didn't vote for President
    Twitterthumbs .

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    1. I thought we were gonna partly discuss recipes on this thread.

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  18. Every time I open up my NY Times app I must be hallucinating over and over again news articles with an anti-conservative bias. Tell me if I'm wrong.

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    1. The Party owns us lock stock and court. Why would anyone rant against the few outsiders? I'm still seething about some nice guy on Z's blog that called me unpatriotic. A flagpin on an escaped lunatic does
      not make him patriotic, IMO. That, and Reagan ruining
      the middle class feeds my conservative bias. Seems
      reasonable to me. But if you like the cons, Breitbart is the place to imbibe Hillary's child sex
      ring, the Obamas being jungle monkeys and the terrible
      conspiracy to bring healthcare to people. Cancel the times and stay away from PBS and find con peace with
      Hannity, Z-Man. How did an environment-conscious guy
      end up in the concamp?

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    2. But, you are right, we drift from the original post.
      Just marking time until bitcoin and Hindu reincarnation come up. Hopefully there will be an instant breakthrough in tinnitus; which makes one wonder, what sort of ribbon do they wear? One of the fifty shades of?

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    3. I think the NY Times has great news articles esp. what happens in different parts of the world but to me they seem to have a fixation with picking apart the conservative movement and I'm talking about their news reporting not just their op-ed page.

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  19. Recipes? Today in the crockpot I made tomatillo chili with white beans and green chiles. I'm a big fan of the crockpot. I have three of them; one is a baby size I use to make Scott's oatmeal every night, one is a 1.5qt and then I have a 3qt one. Because I leave the house at 5am and don't get home until 4pm I run them with appliance timers, which is mighty convenient once you figure out how to work them. I also use one on the oatmeal crockpot because it's so tiny it doesn't have an on-off switch, you just plug it in and it's on.

    In fast food, Bojangles sweet tea is better than McDonalds. However, Hardee's has better biscuits than either of them.

    In Texas, Hardee's is called Carl's Jr. It's very disorienting to see a Hardee's sign with the wrong name on it.

    This brings me back to politics. The guy Trump wants for Labor secretary is the CEO of Hardee's. While I can't argue with their biscuits, they certainly have no lack of scruples with their people. A lot of wage theft is going on. Is this really the person we want in charge of labor? Really you could ask that question of every person that Trump's picked. It's like he deliberately chooses people that are against whatever job he's picked them for.

    In one last related note, Melissa McCarthy did an awesome job being Spicer.

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    1. Apparently putting the fox in charge of the chicken
      house will Make America Great. That and serial tweeting.

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    2. I'm really not comfortable with a president who tweets while the world is falling apart.

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  20. Mandela Effect: doing a crossword the last couple of days.
    I can remember Eniwetok, Polonius and Boethius, but couldn't recall that 'wok' was a three letter pan for stir fry. Is Mandela counseling in order?

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  21. Is it scruples, or lack of scruples? I feel like I messed that up.

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  22. Politics and getting all amped up with one's undies all in a knot is a colossal waste of time and energy. I can't for the life of me understand the purpose behind it.

    Unless one is getting some sort of benefit from the state that is under threat of being scaled back or eliminated then what is the rationale behind getting all frazzled about it? I saw a flurry of childless millennials all amped up about the DOE pick and for what? Not a one of them have a child of their own. So what gives? Me thinks FAFSA worries which speaks directly to my point about benefits (entitlements).

    I've been employed for 30 years. In those 30 years despite a changing of the guard there hasn't been much change at all. I work. I pay taxes. The cost of living goes up and we're mired in war.

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    1. Empathy. But I'm big on public schooling, two kids with PhDs in the sciences, an MS in History/language and the Mrs. and me both college graduates. Private
      education? A snooty high priced secondary turns out
      a semi-literate Trump. Would you that we ancient ones
      give up our SS and pension so Wells Fargo can up their
      stock price and corporate bonuses? Sure, I could offer to commit suicide to help with healthcare costs
      so Big Pharma can profit more, but the cretins driving
      the mess won't permit physician assisted suicide. Would you, Chris, picket if gun owners were limited
      to five weapons? We presume you are content if all you have paid into FIFA for SS is transferred to DOD for a billion dollar aircraft. If abortions were free? Politics and whose ox is getting gored. I agree
      with your last paragraph and change 30 years to 50.

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    2. Public schools aren't going anywhere. Even this Devos chic I hear is an advocate of vouchers and charter schools. Consider that neither is really altogether an distinct alternative to public education. If she were advocating that home schoolers don't have to pay the portion of their property taxes that aid their local public schools then I can see the masses getting whipped up (though again there is no right or claim on their contribution).

      SS...should have never been a government undertaking to begin with and why? Because both parties have raided it.

      # of guns owned. Again, not the government's role to place limitations on how many one desires to have. But no, I'd not picket because it'd happen anyway. The government has the golden gun BB. They get what they want. Might take a year...might take a decade but they get what they want.

      What I'm driving at is that it's fine to protest but you're doing it wrong if you're hell bent on making it into a Pepsi vs. Coke argument. The issue is cola in general.

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    3. That's right. They seem to be protesting Trump, the man the ego the persona the entity known as Trump when they should be protesting the System. Protest why a new car costs so much.

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    4. I would guess that minimal government at all levels
      is an anarchist goal. Anarchists have a bad name because of the violence-loving thugs that show up
      at world banking gatherings, etc. Then, there seem to be anarchical groups that are business minimalists; a business too big to fail should-and the sooner the better, etc. From what I have read
      (not much) on the subject, most anarchists are atheists, given that top down hierarchical orders
      are just a religious form of bigGuv, bigBiz, BigReligion. The anarchist practices independence and craves minimal regulation in any societal system. The concept goes back quite a way. That is the outsider take, what is your position?

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    5. I'm a little vague here. Isn't anarchism and libertarianism two different animals? I too like minimal laws. What business is it of mine if somebody has a birdfeeder in their yard?

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    6. Maybe two species within the same genus: government
      bad. One species would reduce it to some manageable
      minimum, the other eliminate it. Chickens in the yard is a big deal around here. Lot of local regulation and deregulation. Most people don't care for them next door, but a vocal minority insist on
      their chicken rights. I have a horse pasture behind
      and a guy that raises Hungarian Vizla dogs on one side. But they are very responsible and and run a
      tight horse operation and dog operation. The wife does have a bird feeder. No one has complained- especially the sparrow hawk. It is sort of the same
      deal with the Yonkers corner cameras; is the intent
      good or bad? Does it impact driver behavior at the intersection? Are there less accidents? Or..is it
      a money generating scamp picking on the innocent?
      A regular SCOTUS case.

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    7. Yonkers still has those corner cams. If you look up one of those Yonkers police websites it redirects you to "The Consolidated Laws of NY State" which is as heavy reading as the Bible. WHY so many laws? Is it because as society becomes more modern more situations arise where we need more laws or do we just like to pass laws? It's like EVERY possible situation needs to be covered. Somebody flings a booger on your windshield we should have a subsection for that. I betcha the Yonkers Police Commissioner probably doesn't even know all those laws.

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    8. "I'm a little vague here. Isn't anarchism and libertarianism two different animals?"

      Yes they are. What's the difference between libertarianism and anarchism?

      About 6 months.

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    9. "I would guess that minimal government at all levels
      is an anarchist goal."

      Anarchists are not libertarians. Anarchists do not believe in centralized government.

      "Anarchists have a bad name because of the violence-loving thugs that "Then,show up at world banking gatherings, etc."

      Yeah they get a bad rap but not a single anarchist that I know thinks of those individuals as actually anarchists. Jeffrey Tucker is a well known anarchist and not at all like what the media portrays.

      “From what I have read (not much) on the subject, most anarchists are atheists, given that top down hierarchical orders are just a religious form of bigGuv, bigBiz, BigReligion.”

      That might be true. Maybe not atheists but agnostic at least. Not all but many.

      “The anarchist practices independence and craves minimal regulation in any societal system. The concept goes back quite a way. That is the outsider take, what is your position?”

      While we might tend to be more introverted than most, we actually don’t practice independence. Our belief system about the world and how to survive and prosper is antithetical to independence. We trade, we barter, we organize, and we network quite extensively to facilitate our needs. Again, the Ayn Rand “man is an island” tends to be the leading narrative on the subject but it is quite far removed from the reality of today’s anarchist. Minimal to no GOVERNMENT regulation. That’s a huge distinction from just regulation BB. The market (that is the people comprising the distribution of goods and services) does regulate. If someone sells raw milk or a ¼ cow to a buyer and the buyer gets ill, the word gets around pretty quick and as a result there are less people who are apt to purchase from those sellers. Or, to the extent they do, it will come at a much lower cost.

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  23. This is out of my arena. I've been a Socialist since 84...first with the SPUSA, but over the last few years pragmatism has won out over youthful idealism and I moved to the DSA.

    Libertarianism makes no sense to me.

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    1. Socialism contends that government should provide for its citizens (and the Europeans like it). It does counter the capitalist-free market, in that the sole
      purpose of business is to make money: not create jobs,
      not to pay living wages, and to sell cheap stuff at
      top prices. (Harvard Business School in nutshell).
      But business reluctantly creates jobs and pats itself
      on the back. Consider, productivity way way up, corporate profits at all time high, stocks way up..
      and wages stay the same for a generation. Many libertarians blame BigBix controlling the gov't. Lots of different POVs on the subject. Feel the Bern,
      Saty.

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    2. Saty libertarianism should appeal to you in theory because it appeals to your sense of freedom. Whether it works in practice is the issue. BB wage stagnation is the real issue. Meanwhile the price of a new Honda keeps going up for some reason. I never heard Thomas Sowell explain this. He just picks on liberals.

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    3. "Whether it [libertarianism] works in practice..."

      What are you expecting in terms of an outcome?

      Anyone that fully understands the concepts of libertarianism, and by fully understanding I'm not talking about relegating that understanding exclusively to works of fiction by Ayn Rand, knows that it doesn't suggest, or even hint at, utopian outcomes. But, what those who've little to no understanding of it often suggest is that it would be somehow altogether much worse than this present "civil" apparatus that we presently have.

      To the extent that there is utopia embedded within the concept(s) of libertarianism, that utopia would be associated with freedom and a complete and utter lack of codified and monopolized force, coercion, intimidation, and violence that is and has been wrought by formalized governments for centuries.

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    4. "...and to sell cheap stuff at top prices."

      Firstly, we do not have a free market. Capitalism in America is immersed in government regulations and various stipulations. It is NOT laissez-faire.

      You think companies at present don't peddle cheap stuff at top prices in today's economy? Certainly they do? And how to they maintain their ability to do so? Through government. By lobbying like hell to make sure their competitors have as tough of a go of it as possible. Remove the ability to lobby and carve out monopolies that are backed by the government's exclusive right of power and authority.

      Surely acquisitions and mergers would happen but there would cease to be an entity with the power and authority to squash a competitor who enters the market.

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    5. So let's say anarchists believe in a society with no laws or almost no laws and libertarians believe in a society with minimal laws and regs, in other words those that are critical to any society (e.g. laws against murder/stealing, defamation, copyright infringement and the like). Chris you articulated your point really well. I think most people think of anarchism as being like the movie The Purge or no laws at all and what would happen. I'm in no position to speak as I'm not that familiar with the subject. We are often told to respect the law but need we respect 100,000 laws?

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    6. IMO the standard I would use for legislation would be how important is the proposed new law? Can we live without it? I think a lot of laws are passed purely on the basis of preventing human discomfort and annoyance for example. BB doesn't like the clucking chickens in a neighbor's yard let's say so let's pass an ordinance. Personally libertarianism would seem to say and I would tend to agree that in order to have maximum freedom you should be able to put up with a few clucks in your neighbor's yard. Others would say I have the right to not be annoyed. Are these laws critical to a functioning society? Of course not and so the trend is after you ban your neighbor from having a chicken coop it's on to clotheslines and you can't have a birdfeeder and your fishing boat in your driveway is an eyesore. In other words legislating never really ends and that's where liberals tend to be only on a larger scale.

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    7. Finally BB asked about those traffic cams the City of Yonkers still uses and I had to give this some thought to be charitable. I think officials would rather go with the cams make drivers more cautious which is a good thing but I also don't think they hate the revenues. I agree with you Chris when you said a long time ago these traffic cams are unconstitutional as one state ruled. In other words you get your photo in the mail showing your transgression and for all practical purposes you're guilty w/o a trial so to speak. In my view it ain't the American way and Mayor Mike Spano needs to take 'em down but he's not gonna do that.

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    8. “So let's say anarchists believe in a society with no laws or almost no laws and libertarians believe in a society with minimal laws and regs, in other words those that are critical to any society (e.g. laws against murder/stealing, defamation, copyright infringement and the like). Chris you articulated your point really well. I think most people think of anarchism as being like the movie The Purge or no laws at all and what would happen. I'm in no position to speak as I'm not that familiar with the subject. We are often told to respect the law but need we respect 100,000 laws?”

      Perhaps it’s a rather crude example but entertain this notion for the sake of getting a better understanding of anarchist/voluntaryist approach.

      Suppose you want a new roof on your house. You can either do it yourself without having to pull a government issued permit or you could hire someone to do it. Without government, there might be contractors that are certified by private groups and you could opt for using them. The contractors could voluntarily choose to be certified by these private groups and in so doing might have insurance options and the like. The operative word here is voluntary.

      Then you might have contractors who are not certified by any of these private sorts of entities. They can roof your house for much cheaper but then you have less recourse and the like if something were to go wrong during the roofing process.

      Again just a crude example but you’re smart enough. I think you get the idea.
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      “Of course not and so the trend is after you ban your neighbor from having a chicken coop it's on to clotheslines and you can't have a birdfeeder and your fishing boat in your driveway is an eyesore. In other words legislating never really ends and that's where liberals tend to be only on a larger scale.”

      I think you’re quite right about that in that it never ceases to end. It’s why I say, legislating and government is force. It isn’t the power of persuasion. It is force and what force breeds is resentment and frustration. It doesn’t create a “civil” society despite its intentions.
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      “I agree with you Chris when you said a long time ago these traffic cams are unconstitutional as one state ruled. In other words you get your photo in the mail showing your transgression and for all practical purposes you're guilty w/o a trial so to speak.”

      They are not constitutional. How do you challenge your accuser? It presumes you were driving (sure some of the cams apparently can snap a photo of your face but still…). What they do, and what far far too many police precincts do, is spend a lot of time thinking of ways to bilk you of your earnings. Not wearing your seatbelt??? $200 fine. Letting your car idle too long on the driveway in sub-zero temps??? $120 fine. And so it goes…..

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    9. What's this I've been hearing lately that you can't idle your car? Back in the day you warmed up your car on a cold winter's morning. You didn't just drive off and have it konk out. Even BB would agree.

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  24. “In other words legislating never really ends and that's where liberals tend to be only on a larger scale.”

    The irony of this of course is that they will fight tooth and nail to be sure no Republican/Conservative (pick your moniker) will tell them or legislate to them that they can't have an abortion. Meanwhile they're legislating your gun away or whatever.

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  25. Z, are you still on Facebook? You were and then you weren't. Re: social media, reddit is really such an awesome app.

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  26. Took the test
    again. Came out left-liberal again. We are what we eat.

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    1. They lost me at "Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more."

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    2. Didn't have the time to devote to FB. I really dig reddit "the front page of the internet."

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    3. Chris right you are and I've been complaining about this for years. They're only pro-choice on abortion and the usual sexual stuff. School vouchers/charter schools, gun rights, free speech they're the other way. I lost respect.

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  27. There has yet to be a modern, functioning, libertarian state as far as I'm aware.

    Meanwhile some of the happiest states on the planet run a mixed-economy or pure socialist model.

    If it doesn't or cannot work in practice, it's just so many pretty words and crack-smoking pipe dreams.

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    1. In all honesty I don't think it's ever been tried.

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    2. According to Mises et. al. the American frontier was akin to libertarian anarchy; government and law
      were way back east and people had to work things out. Which worked swell, if you squatted for free on Indian land and later rustled the neighbor's cattle. Next thing you know, vigilante justice, private armies, range wars, etc. As usual, urban
      areas caused problems; Abilene, Tombstone and others
      banned firearms from city limits and good ol gunfights were sent out to the OK corral. Sort of a
      temporary Somolia. So, the problem is not with the
      theory; it is its practical implementation. So, while it is not fair to say it was tried (the iron
      rail showed up, the law showed up and local politicians showed up) the era was as close to
      an anarchy as we have had. The problem is too many people, too much crowding and the ever present shysters lurking. The libertarians are right: they
      need an isolated island to work it out.

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    3. So government's never the problem? Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed, Watergate are isolated incidents?

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    4. As opposed to Big Business what is it about the Government you like? I mean look at the VA. The bureaucratic safety net, SS checks, Medicaid and Medicare etc. I think we gladly accept these things in exchange for little everyday curtailments on our freedoms, a small price to pay.

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    5. The conversation has been had at least a halg dozen times with you Saty. This fixation you and others have on this libertarian nation state unfortunately speaks to the lack of depth and understanding you have on the subject matter. By its very thesis, design, and implementation it is not a top down heavy handed thing. Keep looking for a nation state and you won't find it. Start searching in the nooks and crannies; the alleyways and underground; the mountanous regions and even the plains and you will find it. The Zomians, the Hutterites and Amish, some tribal regions of Afghanistan, all over the world.

      As the adage amongst libertarians and anarchists goes: "How many disciples did Jesus have?"

      Answer: One too many.

      Big things tend to fall apart. Small groups work best and when you link the small groups together you form a colony. There are plenty of examples if you take the time to step outside of your comfort zone and explore.

      I was in Iceland and Spain last year. Both of which were undergoing transitions with the abolishment of their previously formalized governments. Lots of great people and discussions about the principles of liberty and decentralization were had. We even helped them establish and maintain their own regular Austrian meetups.

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  28. "They're only pro-choice on abortion and the usual sexual stuff. School vouchers/charter schools, gun rights, free speech they're the other way. I lost respect." Totally opposite of Scalia, the conservative activist judge who
    BTW put big black money into our elections. Most libertarians are by default, pro-choice:
    "Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration." Libertarian Party Platform.

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    1. Well that's kinda the point. The libertarians are consistent, the Democrats are not. "Not anti-abortion" (since "pro-abortion" bothers people) might be a more apt description.

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    2. You touched on libertarian trait: they are socially
      liberal and fiscally conservative. But, we are mistaken when we generalize, for the flavors of all
      these systems vary with the person: you favor environmental awareness, I favor the death penalty
      and Chris favors pro-life...we are actors acting
      against type..because we follow no party line in lock step.

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    3. You seem to be the kind of pragmatic liberal that if an intruder came in your home since you don't own a gun you'd hit him in the head with a maglite.

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    4. Closest thing I had to an intruder was a pair of Mormon missionaries who came during a downpour.
      Gave them cookies and cocoa and talked about Mormon history. Rain stopped, but they started to proselytize aggressively. I don't like aggressive
      conversion and kicked them out, threatening to contact their Bishop. Geez, ya try to be nice....

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    5. I don't favor the death penalty as much as I might think that some individuals are deserving of it. No methodology is fool proof and there will come a time when you execute the wrong person not to mention that whole "Thou shalt not kill..." thing.

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  29. Each individual has their moral framework and sometimes like
    the surprising dog, we bite the hand that feeds us .

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    1. Gorsuch's chances just shot up. Expect glowing words from the Ole Gray Lady.

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    2. He does seem to have an independent streak. But,
      does he tweet?

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    3. It'd be funny if Trump withdrew the nomination.

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  30. BTW what was the brouhaha over Betsy DeVos as Education Sec'y that Mike Pence had to break a tie? Was it because the all-powerful teachers unions are against school vouchers and charter schools? You know expanding options expanding Choice.

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    1. I don't belong to a teacher's union, but have a very
      high regard for public education and that is what I shouted over the phone to my (R) congressman office.
      From what I have seen charter schools are no better than public (our town has the second best educational system in the state). My bias is such that I would rather throw my $$ in the landfill than have my taxes go to some funny farm that teaches creationism, thinks that D-Wave is something you do in the stadium
      and the Pilgrims did God's work in wiping out the local tribes that had helped them survive the first
      few winters. IMO, teachers (and I know a lot) are not
      the problem...it's parents. Since my kids are highly
      educated, I like to think so, anyway. DeVoss married
      an Amway exec and donated $200 million to the GOP,
      qualifications that escape me. If you had to do it
      over again, what kind of charter school would you like to go to?

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    2. The controversy over her escapes me. I just think the Dems get a hankering every now and again to Bork someone. Can't explain it, a weird nostalgia?

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    3. Dems still simmering over Obama SCOTUS nomination
      held up for a year. Why can't they get over it, be
      all kissy face and vote for every incompetent that
      Twitterchief puts up? Bork was just odd.

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    4. So how's the Scalia murder investigation going? Any leads yet?

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    5. Charter schools ARE public schools. Montessori schools ARE public schools. Both serve as an illusion of choice.

      Sorta like haggling over Coke or Pepsi. They're both cola.

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  31. BTW ya got Tom Brady's jersey? The Texas Rangers are on the case.

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    1. Definitely a Jersey case. We'll get Chris Christie
      right on it. If we can find him. Where did he go?
      You seen him around the cronut stands?

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    2. They have it narrowed down to three suspects:
      Chris Berman at ESPN
      Lady Gaga
      The ghost of Howard Cosell
      --There is a saying in sports crimes..'Follow the smell'.

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    3. Researched alot on confabulation recently. Brady says he's 100% sure he put the jersey in his duffelbag but memory is a tricky thing. What if he didn't? It's like the deodorant thing. You leave the house not sure you put it on so you go back.

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    4. Interesting point you bring up there Z. I remember watching this YouTube video once where these kids were in a classroom. Suddenly a guy enters the room, stirs up some papers, writes something on the chalkboard then erases it, and leaves the room.

      It was an experiment in that the students then were tasked with recalling what they remember. Very interesting outcomes.

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    5. Add to this that Brady had alot of adrenaline flowing after the big game and you're not clear-headed. It's possible to be real busy before work and you don't even know you put the hot pot of coffee in the fridge. It's known as automatic behavior but maybe Tom Brady's ego prevents him from considering this.

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  32. At the America Legion right now and dammit if winning at bingo isn't the hardest thing ever.

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    1. It's always the same old ladies who win then you go home with your clothes smelling like cigarette smoke.

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    2. That used to be the case back when smoking wasn't banned everywhere. I'll admit, I do like not smelling like smoke but I prefer the right of a business owner to make that determination more than a government mandate to ban a legal activity.

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    3. I haven't bern to Bingo in eons so the old ladies probably can't smoke anymore. That's not the Norman Rockwell America I remember. It all boils down to some people like alot of laws and some don't. I don't.

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    4. You get an isolated incident, say the little girl in the well or the girl whose intestines were partially sucked out by a Minnesota swimming pool drain (both tragic and unfortunate events without question) and suddenly the parents are lobbying congress for a new law.

      The laws don't prevent these incidents from happening in the future and it could be argued whether or not they even minimize the occurance (of course considering how infrequent the incidents are to begin with).

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    5. As I said every eventuality and possibility needs to be covered. I went into Rite-Aid and bought some fiber capsules. Doctor says I need more fiber (benefits of a colonoscopy) and the bottle has these prominent warnings about a choking hazard if you don't swallow with 8 oz. of water. The capsules ain't that big to begin with but apparently some people don't know how to swallow pills.

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    6. Also I'm generally against sexual harassment laws and policies in most of their forms. It's not a personal bias and it was never an issue for me. I'm against sexual harassment but THE LAW CANNOT BE BASED ON SUBJECTIVISM. It's like if a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket for subjectively speeding.

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  34. Well stated.
    https://youtu.be/R5Gppi-O3a8

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  35. 60 degrees and pleasant yesterday now 30 today with a major winter storm. Do we blame global warming or the neutrino-heads at CERN?

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    1. The Pacific Northwest weather has finally left and is headed your way. We may even open some passes later today and the drift that blocked the basement window in the computer room has shrunk enough to let in light. My wife is a snow nut, a regular Nanook Of
      The North. Guess I could send my XC skies for your
      morning hike.

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    2. Have to search my memory for the last time we had actual ice-skating at a local pond in Yonkers. Nobody's skated at Tibbets Brook Park for ages, thing of the past. Climate change? Nah.

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    3. Ice fishing; when I lived in MN, knew a guy that was in Toyota sales. He hosted a group of Japanese
      automotive engineers and thought to take them ice
      fishing. Their interpreter reported that that confirmed their opinion that Americans are crazy.

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    4. I guess the climate change scenario is that you just
      set a record high there in NY; meanwhile S. Pacific
      heat wobbled the polar vortex so you can enjoy what the Groundhog hates. If you prefer..God rolled the dice again and Yonkers got the Holy double boxcars?

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  36. Chris since you follow Fatima esp. with the 100th anniversary coming up and I'm pretty familiar having been raised Catholic but it seems to me the cosmology of Fatima most people go to Hell. St. Faustina of the Divine Mercy seemed to support this with her mystical vision of the wide and narrow paths. Thoughts? It's kind of a forgotten doctrine.

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    1. I'm probably the worst Catholic in terms of the fear of God. I'm not fearful. While my maternal grandmother was devoutly Catholic, my parents were not active in their practice. There was a good foundation established but given that I didn't see my maternal grandmother super often, I entered into adulthood without a regular/routine practice of the faith myself.

      I read alot of spiritual and religious text (Latin and otherwise). I pray my rosary in Latin pretty much daily (sometimes more than once), say my morning/evening prayers, blessing before meals, attend Mass EVERY Sunday (unless I'm out of town or sick, etc.) and often on First Fridays/Saturdays, sign up for an hour of adoration pretty regularly as well.

      I don't get too hung up on fear though. Perhaps it is naive of me. I happen to think that some of those visions were likely due to manifestations of what they believed and felt. You know...sort of like dreams. If you worry like mad during your waking state then those worries stick with you in your sub-conscience. I think it's probably a little bit like that.

      Although I must admit...revisiting Dante's Divine Comedy recently brings the whole vision of hell to a startling clarity.

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    2. I tend to agree. The Church teaches about Faustina's famous vision of Hell in a literal sense like required reading. Many hung on Lucia's every word instead of just sticking to the Good Book like the Protestants do. Private visions and revelations for the RC Church become a sort of alt-theology. We're living in an alt-age.

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    3. You can say that again. If I'd never stumbled into Immaculate Heart of Mary (IHM) in St. Paul I'd likely never had returned to my faith. Certainly the modern Catholic Church doesn't have anything going for it that would lure me in.

      Blessing of the animals at the Basilica in Minneapolis (that church is so progressive I wouldn't think to set foot inside though it is a beautiful structure) where Monica's ex husband's current wife brought her dog and he crapped on the floor...I can't even imagine....

      Then there is the gloriously beautiful St. Paul Cathedral where just last weekend or the weekend before they held the Red Bull crashed ice thing with the track beginning right on the front steps.

      Seriously...the reverence is completely gone.

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  37. I don't think you can ever get away from being Catholic. I left the church officially in 1986 but it's all still there just under the surface. When I got to where I am now I left a lot of the belief system behind or re-understood in a totally different form, but when we get into a discussion at work I'm all up in there with the Catholic POV. People really don't understand Catholicism. I'm not sure what other religions teach about it on an official level, but people really have some crazy ideas about what it is all those Catholics are doing. So I try to set them straight about it if I can. There's still substantial anti-Catholic prejudice out there, believe it or not.

    These days I'm considerably more skittish of the current administration as someone belonging to a religious minority. It doesn't take much. And despite what you hear, the 77 percent of the country who identify as Christian aren't being persecuted for their faith. It's the biggest persecution complex I've ever seen. War on Christmas my ass.

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  38. According to a PEW survey, religion in general confuses people: Of 32 questions, Atheist/Agnostic got 20.9,
    Jews 20.5, Mormons 20.3 Evangelical 17.6 Protestant 16
    Catholic 16 Hispanic Catholic 11.6 I took the test and
    was in the top 2%. Seminary material?

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    1. I'm not surprised the atheists got top billing. Know thy enemy, as it's said. I can quote the Bible (and that is definitely NOT a Catholic thing) better than most Southern Baptists.

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  39. I agree with Saty. If you're raised Catholic it never really leaves you. You don't see the reasoning or fixation on bc say but when it comes to the core essentials like hell and the Devil it's all right there. Like the mystical visions of the saints which is such a big part of Catholicism they can't be proven OR debunked but it's always there in the lit. In other words even if you move away from the Church some part of you is still Catholic. Catholic Krishna.

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  40. I admit that I'm not up on all the new theological developments and pronouncements (it still blows me away that you can eat meat on Fridays now) and my general perspective is pre-Vatican II but all the fundamentals are intact. I do find it interesting Chris that you're Catholic being that it has to be the most authoritarian of all institutions over the millenia.

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    1. SSPX is traditional by nature. We abstain from meat EVERY Friday. If you eat meat on Friday then you have to offer up another penance. We also do not receive communion in the hand. All the women wear chapel veils. Very traditional (as it should be).

      I don't like authority of other men (save for SSPX priests who serve God). I came into this world not of my own making. I've no compunction with the authority from God or any of the SSPX priests who serve.

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    2. That surprises me as well, Saty. You would think a fiercely independent type would be uncomfortable at best, following orders from the 'orders'. But, he
      likes dogs and betcha if the local bishop required
      good catholics to disarm, he would become agnostic.

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    3. I like the systematic structure of the Tridentine Mass and I like that I can go anywhere in the world where they offer it and follow along. I might miss the sermon due to a language barrier but everything else is like riding a bike.

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    4. So far as I can tell, our bishops are interested in saving souls not global warming, not gun control, etc.

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    5. BB I can kind of make sense of your Chris observation. It's the Church telling you what to do not the government. You're free to join the Church or not but you're not free to join the government. Since the day you're born the gov't coerces you (e.g. pay your taxes). Sure the Church can tell you what to do but they can't have you arrested for engaging in premarital sex.

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    6. That is a good analysis as well. What it comes down to really is how you square up another man forcibly telling you to do this or do that or go this way or go that way. I think to myself "who the hell are you? You got here the same way I did bud. You have no authority over me and I did not consent to whatever perceived authority you think you may have. The Church is voluntary. I don't have to go to Mass, confess my sins, do penance. I am instead persuaded.

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  41. Father BB. Honestly though if I were a priest I'd be uncomfortable hearing people's sins in Confession and you know in some cases they can identify the voice. Some 60ish woman with a smokey Lauren Bacall voice cheated on her husband - you think they don't know?

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    1. IMO, if there were more priests like Fr. Kelly and fewer Bill Donahues,
      the Church would better live up to its long reputation.

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    2. Why is there a table in front of the altar? ;-)

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    3. Between the couple and the altar, a Prie-dieu may be used for the couple, particularly during a nuptial mass. My guess, sort of hard to tell with the various things in the sanctuary at
      weddings.

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    4. It's an inside joke. Give that most Novus Ordo Masses are not Ad Orientem, they use a table, many of which have no altar stone, so they can face the laity during consecration.

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  42. I work with a doctor who is a Ruthenian Catholic. It's always confused me with the Orthodox Churches and do they actually accept the authority of the Pope? It seems they do and then the question becomes why aren't they Roman Catholics? The millenia come and go, the Church remains.

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    1. It's buildings remain but its traditions, its catechism, its Mass changes with times as well.

      Our current priest Fr. Daily told us that he'd met a couple of other seminarians in his travels (he travels each weekend from the priory in Denver to our church in St. Paul) who were Novus Ordo and they told him they were not allowed to publicly pray the rosary at the seminary. They had to pray it silently in their room.

      I've also noticed in a lot of Cathedrals in France, Spain, and Germany a distinct lack of artwork or statuary depicting the Virgin Mary.

      Those things, coupled with the changes in the Mass are evidence of the influence that the Reformation has had even today.

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    2. It seems the Ruthenians fit between Easter Orthodox
      and Roman Catholics in their theology. I would be interested if they cross themselves right to left
      as the Orthodox, or left to right as the Catholic as well as their position on the nefarious Latin filioque clause which festered from time of Constantine to the Great Schism and beyond. Maybe you could bring it up some time during
      a patient work up?

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    3. There's a Ukrainian Orthodox church in NE Minneapolis which is right across the street from a FSSP Roman Catholic church. I haven't been in there but Mon told me those Orthodox Masses go for like 6 hours.

      And some of my friends think an hour and a half sung High Mass is too much. Still less time than they spent watching the Super Bowl.

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  43. We sort of have the same thing in that I can go to any temple anywhere in the world and we'll still be singing Hare Krishna. Class would be in an unfamiliar language but all the prayers would be familiar.

    And then, of course, we eat.

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  44. The RC Church is the only Christian church to my knowledge that has an issue with artificial bc. Far as I can tell it began with Paul VI and Humanae Vitae and before this encyclical was issued they had commissions on the subject. Pat Robertson never cared about the issue so long as you were married. Then John Paul came along and said you can have NFP. I don't recall St. Paul or Revelation talking about it though.

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    1. You are probably right, although the Hobby Lobby owners are against BC, at least if it is covered in
      employee health plans, and they are some sort of Oklahoma Pentacostal. Mormons, who produce more children than catholics, are so much for BC that they
      provide pills at Brigham Young University. No, St. Paul and whichever of the Saint Johns wrote Revelation, had no opinion. Or pills. Not even aspirin. I would think BC would cut down on abortions and have seen data that would support that, so it
      seems theologically tendentious to summarily ban both.

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  45. So I'm guessing the anti-bc position became official church teaching around the time of Pope Paul VI and his encyclical. If I recall the study groups took a more pro-bc position and he even went against that. So we're not talking an official church teaching that goes back to the time of Tertullian so if it's of more recent vintage it should be more open to change imo. Also you have to ask yourself why did it become an issue in the first place?

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    1. Tertullian is one of those enigmas. His apologetics
      were and still are widely referenced. But he disappointed many when he left orthodox Christianity
      and joined the Donatist heresy (the one that thought
      priests should be less sinful than their flock). Was
      considering the teachings on suicide, particularly
      assisted suicide as they relate to the early martyrs,
      who actually sought out the opportunity to feed the lions. That was marvelous to get oneself sainted, but
      if the ancient old lady wracked with cancer gets herself fatally overdozed on painkillers, she sins
      and rots in Hell. Kind of hard to make sense of, IMO.

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    2. When you think about it the Romans were no better than ISIS.

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  46. Nordstrom Rack dropped Ivanka Trump's clothing line. They say it wasn't selling but most folk think there's more to it. Look she's probably a nice person and can't help being related to her Dad. So what is this some kind of modern blood curse? Say a Trump uncle or cousin or nephew can't get their fishing rods or golf clubs in Dick's Sporting Goods because they're all in some way related to The Evil One. It makes no sense to me.

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    1. Given the timing me thinks too that there is something more than simply slumping sales.

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    2. Now if Nordstrom were consistent they'd drop every clothing line that's slow. You can't tell me everything's selling briskly. How are Adam Levine shirts selling? RiRi's got stuff in the stores too. J-Lo......

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    3. I'd think you business backers would stick up for a business decision. Trump backers wear IvankaWear,
      Trump detractors don't, and the Devil wears Prada.
      TV religious experts tell us so.

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    4. Honestly though some of the protesters do act possessed by demons. Welcome back Jim Bakker. My point is this. Let's say no store carried Ivanka's line she can't help it that she was sired by Trump. Take it up with God.

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  47. The free market says if it doesn't sell, pull it. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it, it's capitalism at its finest. Kellyanne wants everyone to go out and buy Ivanka. The plebes have few weapons to go up against the Golden one but they can boycott and honestly if I was Nordstrom's and hearing that people won't shop my store if we carry Trump products I'd be ditching that mess in a hurry. You should love this, it's the market at work.

    BC. You can argue that old patriarchial argument that bc is bad because it allows women to control their own procreativity and thus have sex without necessarily getting pregnant. This in turn frees women up quite a bit and so it disturbs the 'barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen' crowd. We can still see today how adamant the GOP is that a woman can't make a decision about her own body, but that a man needs to be legislating it for her. So it all goes back to bc and who could be more patriarchial than the Church?

    I've been reading Plato's Republic again and after that I'm thinking of trying to tackle Augustine but I'm not sure how willing I am to get mired in the Church fathers. I do enjoy the history of the Church, I've read Eusebius and Josephus and Fox's Christian Martyrs and they are all quite a good read. Besides this I've launched into a pretty intensive reading of our major scripture, the Srimad Bhagavatam (which is the world's oldest scripture and also the longest at 18,000 verses) so I'm not sure how much time I'll have for extracurriculars. I do enjoy it though.

    Flavors of Catholicism. I just never get it. To me all Catholics should be Roman Catholics, but apparently they're like so many colors of the rainbow.

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    1. I got no problem from a strict business angle but the reasoning is stupid. The daughter is not the father. Oh well maybe a federal judge can decide eh?

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    2. I would say this about your take. Pat Robertson and Daystar don't care one whit about your bc pills as long as you're married. It's the RC Church again and really only since Paul VI did it become an issue. I've met Catholics who don't agree with 50% of church teachings. They don't think hell and Satan exist. I got no problem but why do they call themselves Catholics?

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    3. I don't have a problem with market corrections but it smells like quite a bit more than simply slumping sales but whatevs...

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    4. "Flavors of Catholicism. I just never get it. To me all Catholics should be Roman Catholics, but apparently they're like so many colors of the rainbow."

      What sort of Roman Catholics? Like I've pointed out, the official Roman Catholics bear a much greater similarity to Protestants than they do to anything bearing a likeness to the original foundations of Catholicism.

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    5. True, it is harder to buy a good indulgence these days, or for a Pope to father children, or torture
      witches to confess, fire up a good crusade to torch
      Constantinople, tear a woman philosopher to bits*,
      or burn the local Jews in their synagogue. Times tend to change. *Hypatia, patron saint of women,
      philosophers and the sane everywhere.

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    6. I can see if a department store refused to carry Trump's Signature Tie Collection. Then you're dealing directly with the horse's mouth or in this case the horse's ass.

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    7. BB I just like plain old Christianity the way Christ taught it. Muslim conquests, the Ottoman Empire, sacking Jerusalem, the Battle of Lepanto. Both sides had plenty of guilt to go around.

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  48. Saw a great psa on tv last night and thought of some of the points Saty raised in the past. I was drowsy and nodding off but caught the gist of it. In the ad there is a bald young woman obviously a cancer victim or survivor and a man is verbally putting her down. The end of the ad asks you wouldn't talk to a person with cancer like this so why would you talk to a person with depression like this? "Depression is real and life-threatening." I woke up thinking about it.

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  49. IMO depressed people are very sensitive and their emotions are magnified. Worked with a woman recently and she told me she suffered from depression. Every once in a while the boss would criticize her in a curt manner ("you're not done with that yet?"). She obviously took it to heart and moved on. We can choose our words more carefully. An overreaction? sure but it's depression:)

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    1. Idaho has one of the highest suicide rates in the nation, but since the election calls to the hotline
      have tripled. Another interesting effect is that
      civil ammunition sales have drastically slumped and
      ammo stock diving. Some congressmen have quit having
      meetings with constituents and are real touchy about
      dismantling Obamacare, social security and education.
      Not getting better yet, but sort of interesting.

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    2. Albert Camus in a noted essay on suicide said that even a friend's indifferent words could be a catalyst. Trump as trigger? They say the suicide rate in Seattle is so high because the climate is consistently bleak. Trump and his first 100 days are bleak too, dismal and uninspiring. You're already in the cruel throes of a depression and he's the backdrop. Plausible imo.

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    3. My guess, Camus would have had a low opinion of der Trumpler.

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    4. You already have classic depression. It's the middle of winter which often makes depression worse. Trump is president. He says nothing to make you feel better so you feel worse. Trump Affective Disorder.

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  50. Read an article today about how a congressman has filed a motion that will effectively start the impeachment process. It can't come too soon.

    You're right. I don't get why people who disagree with Church teachings still call themselves Catholic. Find something that you can live with and go there.

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    1. Could it be that diversity gives life to the Church?

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    2. I like diversity but it's hard to reconcile the hellfirers with the mercy people. The different stripes have different emphases.

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  51. I think it has more to do with that old pre Vat II teaching that there's no salvation outside the Church. Even though it's no longer an official teaching it still colors the water as it were. A bad Catholic Church is still better than any other church in these folks' minds. My mother is like this, she can enumerate the wrongs of the Church but she'd never dream of leaving it.

    By the way it's me posting anonymously again.

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    1. I never understood that teaching. You're a good person. You helped old ladies cross the street, you gave a kidney to a total stranger and you donated 90% of your life's savings to St. Jude. You're not Catholic though and you get thrown into the lake of fire with the blasphemers murderers and sorcerers.

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    2. Seems harsh. What would Jesus say?

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    3. Oh, he did:
      "Blessed are the merciful: for they will be shown mercy" Matthew 5:7 Golly gee, it's even in St. Jerry's Vulgate:
      "Beati qui lugent: quoniam ipsi consolabuntur."
      Unless Chris's Latin translation is different.

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    4. Perhaps the concept arose from the answer of the Papal Legate of Innocent III at the massacre of Bezieres, when the peaceful were rounded up for
      beheading: "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." My 2 years of HS Latin is sketchy,
      but "Kill them all-God knows his own" seems fairly
      clear.

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    5. Seems to me religion and faith are a wonderful thing...until it starts to get organized.

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    6. You touch on a human weakness: organizations- government, business, religion, armies, etc. tend
      towards hierarchies as they grow. And so those interested in power ascend the pecking order, almost always confirming Lord Acton's Axiom "Power corrupts and absolute..." It is hard to find
      exceptions. So you have hit the nail on the head.
      (Ever do carpentry?)

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  52. Maybe part of the problem is that the Vatican is a state, with all the politics that entails. Maybe it's because they're forced to be worldly, engage in diplomacy and so forth and that necessarily dilutes the focus.

    The Pope if I'm not mistaken functions both as a temporal Prince and the Vicar of Christ on earth. Perhaps those are not really able to be combined without problems.

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  53. I don't think St. Francis was into bureaucratic spirituality nor his namesake.

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  54. Trump is enacting a new travel ban. However if this is like the old travel ban why not just ignore the travel ban ban? This is like hammering a nail into the wood with your penis.

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    1. Heard that Ted Nugent did that.

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  55. There are rumors of Bannon going after the Pope. Probably
    get the Russians to hack the Vatican. Bannon, BTW, has been boycotting Supercuts. Here in the far hinterlands,
    Louie's Boutique & Used Tractors has discontinued their
    line of Ivanka Fashions....

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  56. I don't like Trump but I don't think Alec Baldwin's impersonations are all that great. Takes a blowhard to know a blowhard. IMO leave the serious impersonating to Melissa McCarthy.

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  57. I don't think Baldwin is a comic actor, but the few clips I've seen look like Trump to me. But, maybe the part was turned down by Will Ferrel, Chevy Chase and Dan Akroyd?
    Say, Mike Meyers as the overweight flatulating Scotsman
    in Austin Powers sort of reminded me....

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  58. While I'm in the presidential comedy casting mode, how about Woody Allen as James Buchanon and Bette Middler as
    Martha Washington?

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  59. God help us! The Grammys are supposed to get political tonight. I really don't care to hear Adele talk Trump. For the love of God spare us!

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    1. Best to stick with FoxNews this evening.

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    2. JT's political thoughts vs. O'Reilly. Best to stick to the Sunday Crossword and a Columbo episode with my brandy sniffer.

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  60. Watched a thing on PBS many years back. Samuel Beckett's "Krapp's Last Stand." Googled it just now and it's "Krapp's Last Tape." How 'bout "Krapp's Last Crap"?

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  61. Caught a little bit of the Grammies. No connection: Lawrence Welk is too modern for me. :)

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    1. Adele won big but spent half her acceptance time saying Beyonce should have won. I only watched a sliver of it.

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  62. Queen Elisabeth and I share a birthday in a couple of months. She will be 91. We have never exchanged cards.

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  63. In matching my limited card playing skills against he computer solitary, I ran into a retired scientist's Mandela Effect: 212 wins out of 459. Those digits express the boiling point of water in Fahrenheit and absolute zero
    in Rankine degrees. Should I quit while I'm ahead?

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  64. I bet if you send the Queen a card you'll hear something back.

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  65. After listening to the Trump advisor Steven Miller, who
    wrote the immigrant ban, intone that the .."president's actions will not be questioned" I was so furious that while
    picking up my supply of Christian Brothers and Canadian Mist, I picked up a bottle of blackberry brandy. I was introduced to that tasty nector by a fellow fisherman on a
    three day trip down Wisconsin's Red Cedar River back in the 60s. Between flyfishing and frizbee playing, we passed the
    bottle back and forth. Soon, the Frisbee was up a tree across the river and a few minutes later, while casting a
    dryfly for smallmouth, I caught a freshwater clam. Blackberry brandy; lets you enjoy the great outdoors and
    tolerate the Trumpastrophe.

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