Friday, September 23, 2011
The Obama Platform is what exactly?
That I'm trying to do the right thing but am constantly prevented? that my heart is in the right place...It's not so much a list of accomplishments to run on so I'm not really getting why he wants us to vote for him again. He reminds me of a whiny contestant on X Factor, someone who wasn't that great to begin with but who won't get off the stage and feels the judges' decision is some kind of cosmic injustice speaking of which I think the best contestant so far was that Diana Ross lookalike on the first night forget the name. Absolutely phenomenal but she needs to reduce the waterworks. Simon seems somehow nicer this time 'round with L.A. Reid kinda towing the line here. New Girl, mildly funny but felt it didn't live up to its advance hype all through the summer although I really really like the name Zooey Deschanel. The new 5-0, my brother feels it's bad writing. On the Season Premiere a secret cam hidden in an old clock in the late Governor's residence that could exonerate McGarrett of her murder and Danno busts it with his foot 'cause he doesn't have a screwdriver handy and there he is on the tape Wo Fat killing the guv and framing Steve but his head is somehow cut off, well he is the Archvillain after all who gets away all the time. I'll give it a chance and at least they cover other ground besides serial killers but if they're to be really faithful to the original Chin Ho has to get shot and thrown from a car. Somebody at work has the Irritable Bowel Syndrome and one of the stalls is for all practical purposes unuseable. How can we turn a profit if people don't even know basic potty training? I feel I'm right about all things but do I expect people to agree with me all the time? No, it's ain't realistic and that's the trouble with alot of blogging these days. My God so you don't agree with Ron Paul you're not a true conservative, when did this happen? This is supposed to be fun, kind of coffee klatchy and I see our friend Tony Bennett has made some controversial comments about 9/11. Doesn't he look like some friendly uncle you had when you were a kid and you just got ripped a new one by Mom and Dad and he talks to you in the alley and asks you what's wrong and says but they really love you and gives you a 5-dollar bill to go get an ice cream cone? Looks real good for his age. OK what'cha got?
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Not to suggest yours was a dig at me but for the record, I don't recall having ever said that if one didn't support Ron Paul they weren't a conservative. Actually they probably are conservatives. And that's the beauty of what separates Ron Paul from the conservatives.
ReplyDeleteConservatives, generally speaking, are little different than the Progressives/Liberals that they criticize. They have little regard for the Constitution just the same.
Both seek to use government as a tool; a means, not to secure individual liberty as Ron Paul aspires to do, instead to pursue a specific agenda which comports with their (quite often Christian) idea of what America should be.
Marriage between one man and one woman, gotta support (through money and might) Israel at all costs, they're not opposed to government schools they just don't want them teaching their kids about the GLBT lifestyle, they believe in private property except when it comes to second hand smoke, etc.
Y'all can carry the banner of conservativism. I don't want it. It's riddled with too much shit and weighs too much.
I'll stick with the Constitution and individual liberty.
According to your view Ron Paul is the true conservative while many other candidates, even bloggers are not. That said the list you mention like marriage between one man and one woman, I'd say most of us have no trouble with federalism. We may not agree with the outcome but in New York State re gay marriage they did it fair and square. Um, second-hand smoke on private property -- I don't have the time to possibly read all the blogs out there but don't remember any conservative adopting anything other than a conservative position here but again my time is limited. Now only speaking for myself I don't think the public schools should be teaching about sex at all and that includes everything from abstinence/monogamy to the freaky but that's just me. Israel/the Middle East, the subject is complex and I'm no expert and frankly I hate the subject now as it takes the focus away from other parts of the world seems to me. Anyone care about Africa a tragic and troubled continent but with such great potential? Look soap as I said not everyone is gonna agree 100% with everything you say just as everyone is not gonna be in lockstep with everything I say and you can't go through life like this. Things at Beth's blog have gotten too serious.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I say I'm not a conservative Z. You guys have at it. Run with the banner. I just wish the hell you guys wouldn't keep paying lip service to the Constitution. I have previously thrown in the Founding Fathers with that and for that I sincerely apologize because as you well know the founding fathers were not universal on a number of issues.
ReplyDeleteIt does a great disservice to the Constitution when one bastardizes and distorts it to pursue causes and agendas when the Constitution itself does not permit it.
The other thing that's pretty interesting in all of the debate Z is that I've put myself out there and have done it for some time. Everyone knows full well that I support Ron Paul. I take the criticism that people hurl towards him (the bulk of it simply childish insults of "kooky", "loony", blah blah blah).
ReplyDeleteI don't know that many other people in our circle of blogs have really stepped up by showing some level of support for a particular candidate. Thus, they in effect shield themselves from any criticism.
If someone is willing to have an adult conversation; a debate if you will, pitting candidate x, y, or z against Ron Paul and going down the list of policy then let's get on with it.
I support Ron Paul. I've supported Ron Paul. I've supported and continue to support with every fiber of my being the cause of individual liberty. I'm proud of that effort and no-one is going to stop us in that pursuit. We're proud of the work we're doing and win or lose we're winning everyday.
I support the Constitution which is why I'm against Roe vs. Wade. Libertarians are generally for the legalization of all drugs when for me and many other conservatives it's a simple matter of public safety. I get the arguments but drug use does not take place in a vacuum, wouldn't want my surgeon anywhere near the stuff even in his spare time. So why can't we agree to disagree?
ReplyDeleteSure we can disagree. It's just that some people don't want to simply disagree, they want to simply cease from discussing and learning about and really understanding how limited government and human action works. It's simply alot of regurgitation and demagoguery that goes on.
ReplyDeleteCase in point and for the record, legislation or not, you've no way to know whether or not your surgeon is "near the stuff" or not for one. Secondly, such a statement assumes the worst in humans. It presupposes that your surgeon, a man who you apparently have or would have no compunction with operating on you at this particular juncture, is an individual of questionable character; an individual who would risk his livelihood by compromising in using drugs. What's more, it sort of suggests that any other of this individual's vices (alcohol, gambling debt, dude beats his wife, etc.) are acceptable and do not have the sort of stigma attached to them as would his smoking a joint on a Saturday evening. It's bizarre to me.
"...It's not so much a list of accomplishments to run on so I'm not really getting why he wants us to vote for him again."
ReplyDeleteMaybe for the same reasons all sitting presidents, with the exception of LBJ, want a second term. GWB felt he deserved one even though by 2004 we knew that the Iraq war was a clusterf**k, and that GWB had created the largest federal agency, Homeland Security, in this country's history, and later, after he convinced America to give him a second term, he would go on to pass Medicare Part D, which, according to the Medicare trustees, Part D created a $9.4 trillion unfunded liability over the next 75 years.
Z-man: "He reminds me of a whiny contestant on X Factor, someone who wasn't that great to begin with but who won't get off the stage and feels the judges' decision is some kind of cosmic injustice..."
You don't like him, so no matter the facts, you've decided he hasn't done anything--he has, you just disagree with what he's accomplished, for example the repeal of DADT and the passage of the ACA and many, many more--he got the guy who murdered 3,000 Americans. Remember? Okay, fair enough you don't care. Don't vote for him. Simple, isn't it? I didn't vote for Bush in 2004.
But that last part about not getting off the "stage" is curious. He still has more than a year to go, Z-man. And no judges--the American people--have voted him out of office as of today. Your complaint is what sound "whiny" here. It doesn't make any sense. He is obligated to serve out the rest of this term.
You can vote for the brilliant Michele Bachmann or the fascinating Texas Governor or whomever the GOP runs against Obama in a little over a year from now, and all your pretty little dreams will come true.
RE: "..as you well know the founding fathers were not universal on a number of issues."
ReplyDeleteThat's for dang sure..the only thing they all agreed on was that
George III was Satan personified.
..probably why they built flexibility (and accidently a civil war) into their constitution.
Obama didn't "get" OBL, he just happened to be the president when our special forces found him, devised the plan to get him, and then carried out the mission. The only thing Obama did was say OK to it, big deal.
ReplyDeleteHe has done nothing for the average American, he just gets money for union thugs and gives G.E. tax breaks and then has Warren Buffet tell a bunch of lies to try to increase the taxes for the people who actually make this economy work.
Yes, Beth.. those rich people who make the American way of life possible for the rest of us, right?
ReplyDeleteHow many poor people have hired you, Saty?
ReplyDeleteRon Paul says that America is to blame for the Muslim violence, and for 9-11.
ReplyDeleteI always thought that only the Stupid people on the left said things like that.. But Ron Paul sounds like another Tony Bennett.
I can only hope that this NUT CASE will never be President.
Whats wrong with being rich? I always thought it was part of the American Dream .. And by the way, If rich people don't create jobs, Like Beth said, “How many poor people have hired you,”
ReplyDeleteMost of the business owners in America are not millionaire or “rich private Jet owners" like the “ONE” says . These are the people who hire the lower and middle class and who create 70 percent of the jobs in America. And since when is it a sin to work hard and be rich?
It's the Left that hold people back from the American Dream. Without the motivation of bettering ourselves we are doomed
HUH? "Warren Buffet tell a bunch of lies to try to increase the taxes for the people who actually make this economy work."
ReplyDeleteHis company, Berkshire Hathaway stock produced a total return of 76% from 2000–2010 versus a negative 11.3% return for the S&P 500. His companies employ over 260,000..and he thinks he should pay more taxes. We need a few more 'rich' like him....
"Ron Paul says that America is to blame for the Muslim violence, and for 9-11."
ReplyDeleteYou're lying. Ron Paul says what the CIA and other analysists such as the former head of the Bin Laden unit Michael Scheuer says which is that the foreign policy of the United States is a motivating factor behind the attacks of 9/11.
Even the words of Bin Laden himself confirm this.
Any idea what was a motivating factor for the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut? Same thing. And what subsequently ended up happening as a result? U.S. troops were pulled out of Lebanon.
If you want to be ignorant about the facts that's your prerogative but at least have the dignity and respect to not distort or put words into the mouths of others.
"It's the Left that hold people back from the American Dream."
It's as though the right bears no culpibility. Of course this is entirely false.
I have spent the vast majority of my career working for nonprofits and for taxpayer-funded organizations, Beth.
ReplyDeleteBut honestly, I think the rich folk aren't doing for you all that they'd like for you to believe they are.
Cause if they were, those great big tax cuts they've been having (the ones that we're calling 'tax hikes' because they're expiring or whatever?) really haven't generated that many more jobs or expanded worker wages or helped the average worker, have they?
Of course, they also want you to believe that by taking those tax cuts AWAY is going to wreck things.. though it never made any difference in the first place...
...how can people actually believe this stuff? Third graders can logic their way out of it.
I'M lying....What a joke,
ReplyDeleteThan I guess that eveyone else is "Lying" as well. From Mark Levin down..
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/08/27/paul-says-u-s-intervention-motivated-911-attacks/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2770452/posts
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=6161
http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-blasts-ron-paul-for-recent-comments-blaming-america-for-911/
http://swordattheready.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/the-idiocy-ignorance-and-willful-stupidity-of-ron-paul/
http://www.google.com/#q=Ron+Paul+says+that+America+is+to+blame+for+the+Muslim+violence,+and+for+9-11&hl=en&prmd=imvnso&ei=kyp-TtmWHunb0QHmvcD_Dw&sqi=2&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c7e5b3799a5d75c2&biw=1920&bih=887
Yeah right I'M Lying...
You simply don't understand economics, Saty, which is a shame that most people don't. With the availability of info on the Internet, you really can find this sort of information such as this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/tax_cuts.asp#axzz1YtwfY8Jd
I simply don't understand, Beth, why the top 1% has seen their wealth skyrocket while everyone else is struggling.
ReplyDeleteSeems like all that skyrocketing isn't helping to create jobs, or even keep them.
Source please.
ReplyDeleteAlso note that Obama's class warfare is leaving some potential employers unsure about hiring anyone now because of the bad economy.
lol, no truer words have you ever written, Saty, when you said you just "don't understand". That might be an understatement actually.
ReplyDeleteAnd I forgot to point out that the non-profits that you have worked for are also not funded by poor people, so your point was...?
ReplyDeleteI would very much like to share with you a memo from Citibank that was leaked that devotes itself to what they call 'plutonomy', and that details the vast income inequality in this country, and details further how excellent this is for the super rich.
ReplyDeleteI think if I download the whole PDF I can possibly figure out a way to do this. It's on a sharing site called box.com and it doesn't seem to let me just link to it.
Would you deny, Beth, that the rich are continuing to see their incomes skyrocket, while the rest of us are hanging by a thread?
I recently read about a congressman from Louisiana, who is a doctor and also owns several businesses. His annual income is $600K. He has a couple of adult children and a couple of grandchildren. He claims that it costs him $200K/year to 'feed his family', and that he's struggling to get by on the remaining $400K.
I was deeply moved and tried to take up a collection for the man, but even after we rifled through the truck all I could come up with was .47.
In fact, you can find it online yourself. You can search 'Citibank Plutonomy Symposium'.
ReplyDeleteCitibank, by the way, doesn't deny this memo. They put it out, it's theirs.. they even invented the word 'plutonomy', and they're dang sad they didn't trademark it.
Nonprofits are just that.
ReplyDeleteNonprofits.
Anything over and above gets funneled into the company and its people, not into someone's pocket or dividend check.
I realize the concept is pretty foreign. Rolling the profits back into the company and its people sounds socialistic at best, unAmerican at worst.
And actually the nonprofits I worked for were started by perfectly ordinary people who were not wealthy, just on a mission.. and anyone who's ever worked for a nonprofit can tell you that everything's on a shoestring all the time. There are no frills. Either you're personally invested in the mission or you're not.
Case in point are the Shriners' Hospitals, one of which was going to have to close due to lack of funding. The employees voted to take pay cuts instead.
I know, I know.. it's not the American Way.
Seriously Mal you and Lista should hook. You both reading comprehension difficulties. You will (or at least ought to) notice that in my post I stated that Ron Paul doesn't blame the US for 9/11 but that he, along with a number of others, recognizes US foreign policy and intervention as a motivating factor.
ReplyDeleteNow, you might notice that within the string of your first link it states exactly that.
I don't know what is so difficult for you and others to comprehend about the fact that for action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Our presence in the middle east pisses some people off (as well it should) in much the same way that the presence of illegal immigrants or liberals in this country pisses you off (see your bog for more on the subject).
Obama didn't "get" OBL, he just happened to be the president when our special forces found him,
ReplyDeleteSo he doesn't get any credit. But he sure does get credit for the recession, which was well underway when he took office.
The National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday that the U.S. has been in a recession since December 2007.
So you're only going to give him 'credit' for those things that further your own purposes regarding him, Beth?
Z, how come no posts on the protests going on down Wall Street? This is in your backyard... I would have thought you'd be on it like white on rice.
ReplyDeleteThe YouTubes I've seen are compelling.. Wall Street folks looking down on protesters while drinking champagne.. women being pepper sprayed for no apparent reason... people being beaten... not to mention a virtual media blackout.
Reminiscent of pre-revolution France....
are you doing a blackout on it too?
Oh, Mr. High and Mighty, tell me about it.
ReplyDeleteAttacking my character is part and parcel of self-centered, self-righteous,arrogant jerks like Ron Paul..
What I DO comprehend is that people like YOU and Paul and other disgruntled Republicans are in a world of your own, who love to make these sweeping statements about members of any other group but your own.
You both are ridiculous. and not even worth debating. .And that has been my experiences here with dolts out there. And by the way, I forgot to mention that the platform of the Libertarian Party of the United States promotes an open immigration / border policy ....
Guess what? I found a pig with lipstick on it wandering around like a fart in a blizzard, I put him in the pig pen with the rest of my pigs and I named him Barack Obama.
ReplyDeleteOh we're worth debating alright Mal. Of course if it's a debate you're after then you'll need to stick to the subject at hand which was whether or not Ron Paul blamed America for 9/11 vs. whether he stated that America's foreign policy of intervention is a motivating factor.
ReplyDeleteHaving taken debate all through high-school I am quite privy to the tactic of changing subjects which is precisely what you did by shifting gears and bringing up the Libertarian party platform and immigration.
On that note it isn't any surprise that you've once again mistated the truth. Seriously Mal you're not a very good debater.
Call me arrogant or whatever you will but at least I'm intellectually honest. Besides, it's not arrogance when I point out the fact that you've lied or mistated the facts. Observe:
http://www.lp.org/platform
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape
from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the
crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human
as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
Non-profits can do great things, I am not knocking them at all, all I said was that they are typically funded by people who have the means to do so out of the goodness of their heart.
ReplyDeleteBut what do you have against companies who make a profit giving it to their investors or "into someone's pocket"?? Maybe that money is going from their pocket and donated, or spent on a good or service that is employing you or someone you know. That is how a friggin' economy WORKS, Saty.
The recession started with Bush, yes, but Bush's stupid TARP didn't work, and Obama has only continued the fail policies of stimulus packages and now wants another one, so Obama's policies are prolonging the recession and there will be a double dip recession if his Jobs bill gets through. So, I do give blame where blame is due and credit where credit is due. Obama did nothing to "get" OBL.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Glenn Beck isn't ignoring the Wall Street protests:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.glennbeck.com/2011/09/21/media-ignores-days-of-rage-violence/
But what do you have against companies who make a profit giving it to their investors or "into someone's pocket"?? Maybe that money is going from their pocket and donated, or spent on a good or service that is employing you or someone you know.
ReplyDeleteDid you read that Citibank memo?
When CEOs are doubling and tripling their salaries, and telling their investors it's because they cut employees or cut employee wages or cut employee benefits, I find it difficult at best to believe they're concerned in the least about the average person's welfare, Beth. When luxury item purchases skyrocket while people are going hungry, while gas companies are posting $40B PROFITS per quarter and the rest of the country is languishing, I find it difficult to buy into the 'oh, they're the ones employing us at all so we have to give them everything they ask for so they don't punish us' mentality. I find it really hard to buy into that.
Rich people, rich corporations generally get that way by getting every dime, by cutting every penny, by giving their employees as little as possible, while doing everything they can to buy laws that give them even more priveleges the rest of us don't have. GENERALLY. I am sure you can find an exception or two somewhere that you'll try to use to negate the argument.
That's why companies go overseas; not because of taxes in the US, but because in other countries, even in US owned territories like American Samoa (where they want to change the laws to make themselves virtually invincible), in other countries they can pay pennies per hour, literally, and not give their employees any type of security or benefit. THAT is the real reason they do it; they want to make even more money on the backs of the people, and by going where people are most desperate, they have the most opportunities for exploitation. This whole 'taxes' thing is another way to frighten the American people into thinking that if companies aren't given everything they ask for, they'll take ALL of their business elsewhere. This is the equivalent of hostage-taking.
There are plenty of economic THEORIES, Beth, and then there's the way the economy in America actually WORKS.
Two different things.
Wow! Soapbox King, I hadn't realized that you were a Debater in "High School" that's a whole different story here, So your saying that you are a "ringer" LMAO.I could never debate a professional High School debate..
ReplyDeleteAnd by the way when you said that
"you changing subjects which is precisely what you did by shifting gears and bringing up the Libertarian party platform and immigration"
You sounded like most of the LIBERALS on the blogs.
And you also sounded idiotic.
However, there nothing more to debate, I stand by my comment about that HILARIOUS/FOOL/CLOWN Ron Paul. And I hope to God that he would NEVER be nominated. Because if by any slim chance that he should, I'd find myself in the position of NOT voting at all.
I sound like a liberal?
ReplyDeleteLiberalism 101 teaches that when you're losing an argument it is best to call your opponent (or the candidate(s) he/she supports) racist, fools, clowns, kooks, wackos, nutjobs, et al.
Moving on....
Bennett's comments weren't totally off the mark. To be sure they were deemed insensitive/offensive and of course, because as a society we've been conditioned not to simply disagree while respecting the first amendment but instead to claim victim status as we seek to force a retraction lest we feel "offended".
Re: Obama
As I've stated countless times, the American economic system is hardly capitalist. It is far more appropriate to identify it as purely a command and control economy. The bureaucrats in Washington, be they Democrats or Republicans, regulate this industry, deregulate that one, impose taxes on this industry while subsidizing that one. With the aid of the Federal Reserve credit flows to this particular industry and less so to that particular industry.
This is why, as I watch these GOP debates, I get a kick out of Romney and Cain and Perry when they talk about creating jobs and jumpstarting the economy(to echo Romney) "I've worked in the private sector. I know how to get this economy going again."
It's laughable to me as an advocate of capitalism and free-markets and the Austrian school of economics. And why? It's simple really. An economy is the whole of individuals transacting with one another. It is completely organic.
Even Reagan alluded to this (while unfortunately not entirely practicing it) when he echoed the advice of the founding fathers during his infamous "Time for Choosing" speech when he said: "A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose."
And as for that top 1%, could we not do away with the class warfare entirely if we simply eliminated the income tax altogether?
Shaw: "You don't like him..."
ReplyDeleteHe's arrogant and an intellectual elitist. We were talking about this at work though, everyone acts like you have to like everyone else but as one guy said you have the right to not like somebody. I don't like him.
"...so no matter the facts you decided he hasn't done anything."
Well the so-called individual mandate of Obamacare is repeatedly being struck down by federal appeals court judges, I think one said it was OK. I actually liked Bill Clinton the triangulator better, Obama is pure ideologue and he won't let go of his class warfare schtick.
"But that last part about not getting off the 'stage' is curious."
Meaning he should do his party a big favor and not run for a second term. If you want to put a sinister spin on my words you go do that and send it on to Homeland Security.
As I stated over at Saty's blog, the War on Wall Street really ought to be a war on the Federal Reserve since it is the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking which is as the root of these champagne sipping fat cats on Wall Street.
ReplyDeleteBy and large these people aren't capitalists. Capital comes through savings and investment. These fat cats aren't getting rich through savings and investments. They're getting rich, as Saty rightly points out to the detriment of us all, through a fiat currency.
Learn more through this short video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hx16a72j__8#!
Saty since I rely unfortunately on those public library computers my work schedule and their schedules have not been in sync for some time, budget cuts everywhere in Westchester. I'm aware of those Wall Street protestors and thought of blogging about it but sometimes I don't know how I feel at first in this the Age of the Instant Opinion but on second thought they look kind of like a bunch of hippy-dippy, tofu-loving anti-capitalists. Oh, my sister yesterday had an excellent comment about the Tony Bennett thing, not to agree with him but she said if that really is someone's opinion why should he apologize? Don't say it was misquoted or taken out of context, just say that's the way I feel and you do have the right to hold an opinion and express it in this country. It's known as free speech so I thought that was kind of an interesting take.
ReplyDeleteYour sister nailed it. But, as I said we've come to the point where there is a right to be offended and to force a retraction.
ReplyDeleteJust once I'd like to hear someone tell the offended party to fuck off. There will be no balloons. There will be no pity party.
Howard Stern never apologized and that's why they went after Don Imus instead. Remember when he said the cops should have beat Rodney King more did his career end? No it got stronger.
ReplyDeletethey look kind of like a bunch of hippy-dippy, tofu-loving anti-capitalists.
ReplyDeleteand your point would be?
They may look like a bunch of hippy-dippy, tofu-loving anti-capitalists and it is unfortunate (in watching so many of the videos) that many of them have mistaken what is occuring on Wall Street for Capitalism but remember this:
ReplyDeleteOur allies are defined by their ACTIONS, not their supposed politics or philosophy.
From where I sit, these people protesting are my allies.
You know, Soap.. I was thinking about this today... I don't know that it matters much whether we (I'm including myself in with the protesters here) necessarily know the difference between one economic system or another.. the important thing to know is that it isn't right, it isn't fair and it's screwing the vast majority of the people. I don't know if 'ethics of economics' exists as a topic or subject but it's the way I approach it. I might (no might, I don't) not have any technical knowledge about economics, but I know when one group of people are being exploited by the other, and I know that it's wrong. So whether you want to call it capitalism or some other word, that word isn't as important to me as the fact that whatever it is.. is wrong and needs to be changed.
ReplyDeleteSo forgive us our ignorance of the intricacies; we're not economics majors and personally I can't even balance a checkbook. But even without all that specialized knowledge, instinct can tell us that what they're doing is wrong.
A rose by any other name.
Eau Contraire. If you do not understand economics. If you do not understand monetary policy then, while you may very well know that something is awry, you cannot possibly know how, why, or what.
ReplyDeleteThus, it is not likely that you will know the proper or necessary course to reverse the trend.
I too didn't understand economics or the monetary history of the United States for a very long time. I resolved to change that. I wish others would too.
Feigning ignorance is not an option.
What's more, and not to get into a whole Ron Paul thing here cuz we know Mal and Z and Beth aren't into it, once you begin to learn about the history of the monetary policy in this country you realize that all this rhetoric about getting our fiscal house in order and whole host of issues is moot until the monetary policy is dealt with. Hence why I gravitate towards Ron Paul. He understands the business cycle. Understanding the business cycle allows one to accurately predict the tech stock bubble bursting, the housing bubble bursting, and eventually the college debt bubble bursting.
ReplyDeleteMonetary policy is the engine. Right now the engine is in overdrive cranking out worthless paper dollars that are backed by,...anyone?....anyone?....DEBT.
We're headed for a serious currency crisis.
You can know that something's wrong without knowing all the intricacies. That's instinct and intuition and I do it all the time (and occasionally it will save a life).
ReplyDeleteThis is not to discount education. But of all those protesters out there, maybe one in a hundred understands economics and the rest of them know just that we're getting screwed. They know enough to know that a protest is in order.
Who's 'feigning' ignorance? Either you are or your aren't. I am when it comes to the technical stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good protest but barking in the wind isn't necessarily going to effect change. And if it does, and you haven't any clue about the subject, you can't be sure such change will be to your benefit.
ReplyDeleteSo whether you want to call it capitalism or some other word, that word isn't as important to me as the fact that whatever it is.. is wrong and needs to be changed.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't capitalism that is wrong, it is some people who are greedy that give it a bad name. Plenty of honest people want to work within the freedoms that capitalism provides.
I just posted a great 5 minute video clip of the Judge asking the question:
ReplyDelete"Do we really have a free-market in America?"
Worth a look.
About those Wall Street protesters Saty I just want to know what their guiding philosophy is. On the scale from capitalism to socialism/communism where do they stand? I just want to know more before rendering judgement.
ReplyDeleteDepends who you ask Z.
ReplyDeleteI'd venture to say the overriding philosophy of the protesters is that a select few are benefitting at the expense of the many.
Some of them may have a better handle on what is really ocurring to permit that to happen while others do not. Some blame the private central bank issuing a public currency while others blame free-markets and/or capitalism.
Unquestionably, something is awry. This much they know.
Animal Farm
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