I really don't see how Israel is doing anything wrong in trying to obliterate Hamas, a country has the right to defend herself. It's a choicy kind of subject so feel free.
The Arabs must think the rest of the world is as stupid as they are. Hamas, and by extension, Iran have pressed Israel very hard. Hamas shoots rockets and mortars, and publicly talks about wiping Israel off the planet at every opportunity. Hamas has made several physical attacks and is now reaping what they’ve sown. Muslims all over are screaming their fanatic heads off with support from their oil bought and paid for sympathizers, and the rest of the world is supposed to get all emotional over it. Tough bezots Hamas. And tough titty muzleem world. You’ve asked for it, now you’re getting the butt whipping you crave. Do you notice that those Arabs physically closest to Hamas are the ones that hate them the most? Egypt won't let them cross their border either.
I pray that Israel ignores the useless UN and that the Americans and what few sensible people/countries are left in the world will manage to get Israel the time and support they need to rid that nest of cockroaches and barbaric maniacs controlling Gaza. Go Israel! Finish what you’ve started! The sane and sensible people of the world are behind, beside you, and with you! But who knows whats going to happen when Obama takes office on Jan 20th! IMO Israel is better off taking care of themselves now than waiting around for help from fair-weather friends -I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been.. and I’m afraid that after Jan 20 that is what the US will be. No doubt Obama will do little other than tal May God Bless Israel and give them a great victory.
"I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been..."
A Hannity talking point no doubt. The fact of the matter is, don't be so sure. You are aware of who he appointed as his Chief of Staff are you not? None other than Rahm Immanuel (a man with signficant Israeli roots and sympathies).
Moreover, have you heard so much as a peep from Obama regarding the conflict? No you have not.
"I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been..."
A Hannity talking point no doubt. The fact of the matter is, don't be so sure. You are aware of who he appointed as his Chief of Staff are you not? None other than Rahm Immanuel (a man with signficant Israeli roots and sympathies). Moreover, have you heard so much as a peep from Obama regarding the conflict? No you have not.
Yes, I as as aware of these points as you are. A Hannity talking point no doubt
What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying that I got that statement form hannity? I beg to differ with you as I have not listened to Hannity in about a year or more. You certainly jump to you own conclusions don't you? And as for Rahm Emanuel , I'm also aware that he has as you say"signficant Israeli roots" BTW significant is spelled this way. Back to Rahm Immanuel Yes I know that served in the Israel Defense Forces,and that he has been a consistent and vocal pro-Israel hardliner, however I don't that it would make any difference. I still don't trust either one of them. Thank you for your reply..........(I think)
Israeli political willpower is just as diverse as ours: "..a poll in Ha'aretz newspaper showed 52% of Israelis support the bombing of Gaza, it found that as few as 19% backed a land invasion. Only 20% wanted a ceasefire." The mideast has been the scene of fighting and violence since at least 2000 BC, and one might consider (given the Lex Talionis view of all parties there) it will be going for another few millenium.....
Israel would be crazy to accept a cease fire now Hamas is the governing body of Gaza and they have made it clear they do not recognize the State of Israel and consider themselves to be at war with it. Since taking power, Hamas has done virtually nothing but train fighters, smuggle in more and better weapons, and seek ways to attack Israel. Last week, after announcing the end to the cease-fire, Hamas fired 80 rockets and mortars in a single day on Israeli villages near Gaza.
Israel has a right to defend itself, as does any nation and any individual. Indeed, it is a fundamental responsibility of any government to defend its citizens against foreign aggression. Israel has been more than patient. Prior to the ceasefire, Hamas and other terror organizations were firing dozens of rockets a day. During the "cease-fire" (it wasn't, really), they fired "only" a few rockets a day. What other nation would tolerate this assault on its citizens as long as Israel has?
So when Hamas announced the end of the cease-fire, refused to renew it despite negotiations, and renewed attacks on Israeli towns, the Israeli government had not only the right but the obligation to attack Hamas. Hamas is at war with Israel--why are Palestinians complaining when Israel agrees, and fires back?!
It should be noted that despite the assertions of some posters, the attacks on Gaza have been highly targeted to kill Hamas terrorists and avoid civilian casualties. Because Hamas operates in residential areas and uses civilians as human shields, it is not possible to completely avoid civilian casualties, but the vast majority of Palestinian deaths have been Hamas "operatives" (by Hamas own reports). So there is no question of Israeli war crimes. been firing rockets into Israel for years ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza. I thought that is what they wanted, yet they move in and start shooting rockets. They shoot their rockets from civilian Palestinian neighborhoods. HAMAS uses the innocent Palestinians as human shields. So Israel blockades Gaza to try to stop weapons from getting to the terrorists NOT to deprive innocent Palestinians of food and medicine. The rocket attacks continue. Israel gave warnings that if the attacks don't stop they will strike back. Hamas will not listen to the warnings and keep firing their rockets. So Israel strikes back as promised. It is, in fact, Hamas that is guilty of war crimes: of firing on Israeli civilians; by using their own people as human shields. Hamas attempts to destroy Israel "one Jew at a time" qualifies as attempted ethnic cleansing.
Soapboxgod said... What exactly might you expect me to say about a factually accurate accounting of the happenings between the two?
I would have expected you to say something, You always seem to!
I write because I believe I have something worthwhile to say. I don't know if I can say the same about you. (at least not yet) Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that you always have something to say, and it don't matter If it makes any sense or not. I don't know you well enough so I could be wrong. But this is the impression I get. You have attacked my posts for no reason at all.
I will treat you with the same respect that I treat everyone whom I encounter in the blogosphere (Z and Beth and the rest of the gang included).
It isn't so much that I attacked your post in so much as I attacked your premise (i.e. your statement).
You asserted previously herein that "I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been.."
I made the comment about Hannity in my response because what you've done by making such a statement in my opinion is resort to feeling or intuition since you failed to put any substance behind the accusation. Hannity is notorious for demonizing Democrats for no other reason other than the fact they are Democrats. Coulter does the same thing. There is never any objective analysis wherein they'd criticize a Republican by principle. And so, my intepretation of your comment, and the fact that you didn't provide any meaningful rationale as to why you said it, is that you presume this to be the case based primarily on some disliking of Obama.
So, in criticizing your comment, I countered with some semblance of substance as to why I thought it presumptuous to make the statement you made (Obama's tapping of Emanual and his silence on the matter which by most accounts is being interpreted not a condemnation but as approval).
It is fine that people want to make commentary or statements based on feeling. But, when they do so without any thought to reason or rationale, if I should encounter them, I will challenge their premise(s).
* As an aside, this guy on the bus one time was talking about some political issue (I've since forgotten) and made mention of what Rush Limbaugh had said with respect to it. I hadn't heard what Limbaugh said but he summarized it for me and I said I thought it to be a fair analysis.
He then when on to say otherwise and when I asked him how he concluded as much his response came:
"Because, Rush Limbaugh is an assbag."
I responded that, while that may be undeniably true, his assertion was based not on reason but by feeling and that it didn't make his point valid. He was going to have to come up with a much more reasoned response as to why he concluded Limbaugh's assessment to be innacurate.
Soapboxgod said... I made the comment about Hannity in my response because what you've done by making such a statement in my opinion is resort to feeling or intuition since you failed to put any substance behind the accusation. Hannity is notorious for demonizing Democrats for no other reason other than the fact they are Democrats. Coulter does the same thing. There is never any objective analysis wherein they'd criticize a Republican by principle. And so, my intepretation of your comment, and the fact that you didn't provide any meaningful rationale as to why you said it, is that you presume this to be the case based primarily on some disliking of Obama.
Oh so you feel that you can “attack MY premise” because you have an opposing view! Rather than just discuss it! Should I be sorry that YOU didn’t like the “interpretation”(spelled this way) of MY comment? And because Hannity is notorious for demonizing Democrats, that means that I am a loyal listener of his and I get my information from him? Only a jerk would think that way. Does that fit you? If you feel that I make remarks “without any thought to reason or rationale” then DON’T READ THEM! Who are YOU to analyze me? Do you think that I need to come here to this blog to be insulted by the likes of you? Well Mr. GOD you are wrong. I have my own blog where my readers like my writing and views and opinions, I don’t need to come here to be insulted and analyzed by you or anyone else. So may I suggest that if you or anyone else would care to continue discussing TOPICS with ME, you may do so on MY blog. PS, I don’t give a HOOT about “this guy on the bus”
I forgive you for your unwillingness to do precisely that by explaining how it was you came to the conclusion that "Obama will do little other than tal [sic]" OR "I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been."
Soapboxgod said... "Rather than just discuss it!" I forgive you for your unwillingness to do precisely that by explaining. ---------------------------------------
Hey SoapGOD, who the hell are you to "forgive" anyone. Do you really think you are GOD? I think you are a MOONBAT straight from it's cave.
That's what I figured BB, the SiteMeter has only shown one other location coming here (besides me, Z and Soapie) and it is in New York, and yet there are all these people posting comments with different names from the same New York location. Hmmm, very curious I must say.
I should say, it would be comforting if the American majority had such political willpower.
ReplyDeleteI should say, it would be comforting if the American majority had such political willpower.
ReplyDeleteAmen to that!
The Arabs must think the rest of the world is as stupid as they are. Hamas, and by extension, Iran have pressed Israel very hard. Hamas shoots rockets and mortars, and publicly talks about wiping Israel off the planet at every opportunity. Hamas has made several physical attacks and is now reaping what they’ve sown. Muslims all over are screaming their fanatic heads off with support from their oil bought and paid for sympathizers, and the rest of the world is supposed to get all emotional over it. Tough bezots Hamas. And tough titty muzleem world. You’ve asked for it, now you’re getting the butt whipping you crave.
ReplyDeleteDo you notice that those Arabs physically closest to Hamas are the ones that hate them the most?
Egypt won't let them cross their border either.
I pray that Israel ignores the useless UN and that the Americans and what few sensible people/countries are left in the world will manage to get Israel the time and support they need to rid that nest of cockroaches and barbaric maniacs controlling Gaza. Go Israel! Finish what you’ve started! The sane and sensible people of the world are behind, beside you, and with you!
But who knows whats going to happen when Obama takes office on Jan 20th!
IMO Israel is better off taking care of themselves now than waiting around for help from fair-weather friends -I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been.. and I’m afraid that after Jan 20 that is what the US will be. No doubt Obama will do little other than tal
May God Bless Israel and give them a great victory.
"I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been..."
ReplyDeleteA Hannity talking point no doubt. The fact of the matter is, don't be so sure. You are aware of who he appointed as his Chief of Staff are you not? None other than Rahm Immanuel (a man with signficant Israeli roots and sympathies).
Moreover, have you heard so much as a peep from Obama regarding the conflict? No you have not.
Soapboxgod said...
ReplyDelete"I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been..."
A Hannity talking point no doubt. The fact of the matter is, don't be so sure. You are aware of who he appointed as his Chief of Staff are you not? None other than Rahm Immanuel (a man with signficant Israeli roots and sympathies).
Moreover, have you heard so much as a peep from Obama regarding the conflict? No you have not.
Yes, I as as aware of these points as you are.
A Hannity talking point no doubt
What in the world are you talking about?
Are you saying that I got that statement form hannity?
I beg to differ with you as I have not listened to Hannity in about a year or more.
You certainly jump to you own conclusions don't you?
And as for Rahm Emanuel , I'm also aware that he has as you say"signficant Israeli roots"
BTW significant is spelled this way.
Back to Rahm Immanuel Yes I know that served in the Israel Defense Forces,and that he has been a consistent and vocal pro-Israel hardliner, however I don't that it would make any difference. I still don't trust either one of them.
Thank you for your reply..........(I think)
Israeli political willpower is just as diverse as ours: "..a poll in Ha'aretz newspaper showed 52% of Israelis support the bombing of Gaza, it found that as few as 19% backed a land invasion. Only 20% wanted a ceasefire." The mideast has been the scene of fighting and violence since at least 2000 BC, and one might consider (given the
ReplyDeleteLex Talionis view of all parties there) it will be going for another few millenium.....
Israel would be crazy to accept a cease fire now
ReplyDeleteHamas is the governing body of Gaza and they have made it clear they do not recognize the State of Israel and consider themselves to be at war with it. Since taking power, Hamas has done virtually nothing but train fighters, smuggle in more and better weapons, and seek ways to attack Israel. Last week, after announcing the end to the cease-fire, Hamas fired 80 rockets and mortars in a single day on Israeli villages near Gaza.
Israel has a right to defend itself, as does any nation and any individual. Indeed, it is a fundamental responsibility of any government to defend its citizens against foreign aggression. Israel has been more than patient. Prior to the ceasefire, Hamas and other terror organizations were firing dozens of rockets a day. During the "cease-fire" (it wasn't, really), they fired "only" a few rockets a day. What other nation would tolerate this assault on its citizens as long as Israel has?
So when Hamas announced the end of the cease-fire, refused to renew it despite negotiations, and renewed attacks on Israeli towns, the Israeli government had not only the right but the obligation to attack Hamas. Hamas is at war with Israel--why are Palestinians complaining when Israel agrees, and fires back?!
It should be noted that despite the assertions of some posters, the attacks on Gaza have been highly targeted to kill Hamas terrorists and avoid civilian casualties. Because Hamas operates in residential areas and uses civilians as human shields, it is not possible to completely avoid civilian casualties, but the vast majority of Palestinian deaths have been Hamas "operatives" (by Hamas own reports). So there is no question of Israeli war crimes.
been firing rockets into Israel for years ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza. I thought that is what they wanted, yet they move in and start shooting rockets. They shoot their rockets from civilian Palestinian neighborhoods. HAMAS uses the innocent Palestinians as human shields. So Israel blockades Gaza to try to stop weapons from getting to the terrorists NOT to deprive innocent Palestinians of food and medicine. The rocket attacks continue. Israel gave warnings that if the attacks don't stop they will strike back. Hamas will not listen to the warnings and keep firing their rockets. So Israel strikes back as promised.
It is, in fact, Hamas that is guilty of war crimes: of firing on Israeli civilians; by using their own people as human shields. Hamas attempts to destroy Israel "one Jew at a time" qualifies as attempted ethnic cleansing.
Good points Anonymous ... I wonder what Soapboxgod has to say about that!
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly might you expect me to say about a factually accurate accounting of the happenings between the two?
ReplyDeleteSoapboxgod said...
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly might you expect me to say about a factually accurate accounting of the happenings between the two?
I would have expected you to say something, You always seem to!
I write because I believe I have something worthwhile to say. I don't know if I can say the same about you. (at least not yet) Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that you always have something to say, and it don't matter If it makes any sense or not. I don't know you well enough so I could be wrong. But this is the impression I get.
You have attacked my posts for no reason at all.
I will treat you with the same respect that I treat everyone whom I encounter in the blogosphere (Z and Beth and the rest of the gang included).
ReplyDeleteIt isn't so much that I attacked your post in so much as I attacked your premise (i.e. your statement).
You asserted previously herein that "I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been.."
I made the comment about Hannity in my response because what you've done by making such a statement in my opinion is resort to feeling or intuition since you failed to put any substance behind the accusation. Hannity is notorious for demonizing Democrats for no other reason other than the fact they are Democrats. Coulter does the same thing. There is never any objective analysis wherein they'd criticize a Republican by principle. And so, my intepretation of your comment, and the fact that you didn't provide any meaningful rationale as to why you said it, is that you presume this to be the case based primarily on some disliking of Obama.
So, in criticizing your comment, I countered with some semblance of substance as to why I thought it presumptuous to make the statement you made (Obama's tapping of Emanual and his silence on the matter which by most accounts is being interpreted not a condemnation but as approval).
It is fine that people want to make commentary or statements based on feeling. But, when they do so without any thought to reason or rationale, if I should encounter them, I will challenge their premise(s).
* As an aside, this guy on the bus one time was talking about some political issue (I've since forgotten) and made mention of what Rush Limbaugh had said with respect to it. I hadn't heard what Limbaugh said but he summarized it for me and I said I thought it to be a fair analysis.
He then when on to say otherwise and when I asked him how he concluded as much his response came:
"Because, Rush Limbaugh is an assbag."
I responded that, while that may be undeniably true, his assertion was based not on reason but by feeling and that it didn't make his point valid. He was going to have to come up with a much more reasoned response as to why he concluded Limbaugh's assessment to be innacurate.
Soapboxgod said...
ReplyDeleteI made the comment about Hannity in my response because what you've done by making such a statement in my opinion is resort to feeling or intuition since you failed to put any substance behind the accusation. Hannity is notorious for demonizing Democrats for no other reason other than the fact they are Democrats. Coulter does the same thing. There is never any objective analysis wherein they'd criticize a Republican by principle. And so, my intepretation of your comment, and the fact that you didn't provide any meaningful rationale as to why you said it, is that you presume this to be the case based primarily on some disliking of Obama.
Oh so you feel that you can “attack MY premise” because you have an opposing view!
Rather than just discuss it! Should I be sorry that YOU didn’t like the “interpretation”(spelled this way) of MY comment? And because Hannity is notorious for demonizing Democrats, that means that I am a loyal listener of his and I get my information from him? Only a jerk would think that way. Does that fit you?
If you feel that I make remarks “without any thought to reason or rationale” then DON’T READ THEM!
Who are YOU to analyze me? Do you think that I need to come here to this blog to be insulted by the likes of you? Well Mr. GOD you are wrong. I have my own blog where my readers like my writing and views and opinions, I don’t need to come here to be insulted and analyzed by you or anyone else. So may I suggest that if you or anyone else would care to continue discussing TOPICS with ME, you may do so on MY blog.
PS, I don’t give a HOOT about “this guy on the bus”
lol, that is the funniest rebuttal I have ever seen, Thru My Eyes!
ReplyDeleteYou were trying to be funny, weren't you? I mean, you couldn't be serious.
Not as funny as getting a Glenn Beck's Sweater in a beautiful red leather box for Christmas may I say!
ReplyDelete"Rather than just discuss it!"
ReplyDeleteI forgive you for your unwillingness to do precisely that by explaining how it was you came to the conclusion that "Obama will do little other than tal [sic]" OR "I don't think that Obama will be as good a friend to them as Bush has been."
If you say pretty please I give you one of my old sweat shirts... Sweat and all.
ReplyDeleteSoapboxgod said...
ReplyDelete"Rather than just discuss it!"
I forgive you for your unwillingness to do precisely that by explaining.
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Hey SoapGOD, who the hell are you to "forgive" anyone.
Do you really think you are GOD?
I think you are a MOONBAT straight from it's cave.
Are you in New York or Lewiston, Idaho?
ReplyDeletesar-casm
ReplyDeletePronunciation [sahr-kaz-uhm]
–noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
Just me in Lewiston, Idaho. :)
ReplyDeleteThat's what I figured BB, the SiteMeter has only shown one other location coming here (besides me, Z and Soapie) and it is in New York, and yet there are all these people posting comments with different names from the same New York location. Hmmm, very curious I must say.
ReplyDeleteHow's the weather in Idaho these days?
so whats the big mystery, I'm from New York
ReplyDeleteNo mystery, I just find it interesting to see the variety of places people come from.
ReplyDeleteBeth said...
ReplyDelete"No mystery, I just find it interesting to see the variety of places people come from"
As long as they don't come from Gaza and as long as their are not Palestinians, who cares?
If you are that curious and you find it interesting , why don't you just look at their profiles! Their home towns are generally listed there.
Mine is.
I'm from New York also,aslong as you find it to be interesting.
ReplyDeleteAnd it clearly states so in my blogs profile.
Profiles can say anything you want them to, I could say I am from Mars.
ReplyDeleteI just don't get it Beth...What possible reason would anyone have to lie about where they live in their OWN profile?
ReplyDeleteI don't even look at profiles, mine says nothing, like who cares?
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