Wednesday, May 27, 2009

I can't help it if I was born a Great White Male

Sonia Sotomayor, first nominated to a federal judgeship by none other than Bush the Sr. then on to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals covering NY, CT and VT. Said once that policy is made at the appeals level, said something else about me but whatever. She'll be confirmed, can't lose the Hispanic bloc but got to thinking last night about this thing called Borking. Now Robert Bork in his Slouching Towards Gomorrah comes out foursquare for censorship, feels free speech as envisioned by the Founding Fathers had to do with only speech that was political in nature and ya wanna know something? It was ugly and over-the-top but I'm glad the man wasn't confirmed. With me when you talk about Free Speech you touch a nerve, I might be all over the map on some other issues but here he got my dander up. It's not the Ron Pauls and the Michael Savages the Right needs to distance themselves from, you might not agree with what they have to say but God knows they'll defend your right to say it. Bork might look like a Christmas ornament but don't let that fool you, his philosophy is dangerous. That said allow me to digress on something the Gray-Haired Brother said over at Beth's Place the other day that got me to thinking. We talk about abortion too much for his taste but in my view liberalism with its reflexive support for legal abortion actually fosters and reinforces social irresponsibility. OK take the housewife who has an affair with the mailman while her husband is at the office, she gets pregnant and has an abortion, chances are he'll never find out about it. The Pro-Choicer, put it this way, a hitman is not the least bit interested in why somebody wants to get rid of somebody else, could be the color of his tie that's not his concern, just show me the money and then we go dark. The choicer does not care about the WHY you want to get an abortion, aborting the mailman's kid falls under the all-inclusive heading of reproductive rights, women's sexuality YADA YADA YADA while the Pro-Lifer and I'll plead guilty here sees a moral lesson for the woman in carrying the child to term. YES, the child if allowed to be born is a constant reminder of the original error in moral decision-making on the part of all the parties involved. Here's where in my gut I'm against Pro-Choice, take away not so much the scarlet letter, that's not where I'm coming from but take away the flesh and blood consequence of the act and all morality loses its moorings and becomes adrift at sea, do this do that do what your little heart desires. So how does this relate to Obama for that matter? Well as a liberal by taking that Pro-Choice position whether it's his intent or not (probably isn't) support for legalized abortion reinforces social irresponsibility, how could it be otherwise? just to know where my side is coming from OR to put it another way

you ain't livin' right.

32 comments:

  1. You can rephrase all this to say it's not that much of a stretch to say liberals don't care about morality. It's an arguable point, maybe we can add a technical caveat that pro-choice liberals don't care about morality but I can still hear the jeers in the audience. This is why in the popular mind pro-life conservatives are more equated with values than liberals. Put another way is there ANY abortion that would bother a pro-choicer? I think as a general rule you can say the lifers and the choicers have vastly different views on SEX which is after all at the root of it all. Since I used the example of adultery the question can be posed: women who become pregnant through extramarital affairs and then decide to get an abortion, would the abortion in such a case really bother the conventional or traditional liberal and their answer to this would speak volumes to their overall views on morality. Kind of a postscript to my blog but when you delve into the abortion issue as I've tried to here, to really peel back layer after layer you come up with these things.

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  2. "I can't help it if I was born a Great White Male" ..ya sounds like Mobey Z, big guy....:)

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  3. Morals do not matter for the choicer because most of them claim that they themselves do not like abortion BS but they can't tell a woman what to do with her body, but they have no trouble telling a business how much to pay their employees, LIBERALS ARE INCONSISTENT IDIOTS!

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  4. In other words, liberals would like to control every aspect of everyone's lives, with the only exclusion being they don't think they should control a woman from ripping her unborn child out of her womb.

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  5. His choice for the court will probably a lot more to your views than almost any other judicial appointment you could expect from a Democratic President.

    She has issued rulings supporting government for favoring the Pro Life side [the Mexico City Agreement] and supporting the rights of Pro Life people to protest at abortion clinics.

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  6. I'm not familiar with "the Mexico City Agreement" to comment on that, but of course she should support the right for people to protest, it's in the Constitution!

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  7. I really haven't jumped on the anti-Sotomayor bandwagon yet. No sooner was she nominated then conservatives pointed out that none of her decisions have been remarkable which kinda begs the question if you're applying the law why should any jurist's decision be remarkable, you're not writing a sequel to Hamlet. I want to stretch out the theme of this thread in a minute but as for some of her personal statements like a Latina woman can come to better conclusions than your average white male probably shouldn't have been said but sometimes a personal insight does this, becomes fodder for the opposition but if that's the best the cons can come up with it ain't much.

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  8. OK, so personal insights, I call them vignettes of thought, there are no rules here and the mind can rove where it wants. One day you might feel one way and the next you're in a different mood, one vignette can go against another but it's ok because it's all thinking and the main danger of PC is the goal of restricting thought. OK so this is my own personal insight into Pro-Choice, blame it on the Christian Brothers if you want. Now at the very heart of existence is the principle that acts have consequences, this is the nature of Reality and so the way I see it is Pro-Choice is a denial of this Reality, a denial of cause-and-effect, a refusal to accept certain consequences attendant upon certain acts. Abortion takes away the risk of Sex and when you take away the risk of Sex then the act is no longer special. The risk of pregnancy ties in with soapie's idea of sex as a contract, it gives the act a certain element of seriousness and the complete license to abort the fetus takes away all this and Sex becomes purely clinical, hence Planned Parenthood......so in a way you end up with pro-lifers being generally thought of as being more moral than pro-choicers if you define morality partly in terms of accepting personal responsibility and coming to terms with yes Life does have certain consequences. So to use the example again of the woman who has an extramarital affair and aborts her lover's child, going through with the abortion is very very unlikely to teach her any moral lessons down the road, in fact she'll probably continue with her lifestyle so as to the charge the choicers make that the lifers want to punish the woman by forcing her to carry the child to term, there is a shading of truth here but the wording is very poor. The average choicer cannot see any value in a woman being asked to do this since they view any sex act as not really having any moral dimesions whatsoever so the lesson the lifers would like to see the woman learn is completely lost on them.

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  9. OR to be more pithy about it it is an objective fact that legal abortion reinforces social irresponsibility, it cannot be denied and so the choicers prefer not to discuss it or to gloss over it by acting like all the sex was noble. In my view abortion is not a positive social good at all, quite the opposite.

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  10. Planned Parenthood is a misnomer, since they do advocate abortion seems like they should be called Planned Non-Parenthood.

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  11. Watch out, Gray Headed Brother might get mad at us for discussing abortion again.

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  12. I know what you mean, the name has always bothered me too. Yeah when you get right down to it aren't we all a bunch of planned parenthooders? Geez that's a no-brainer but I guess what has always bothered me about this group and the title is the notion that if a pregnancy is not planned then it's an evil thing. Gosh how many people have you talked to who say they weren't exactly planned at the time by their parents? It all has a slightly Twilight-Zonish tinge to it, a futuristic element to it that everything has to be perfect, a perfectly planned society. PP has always given me the willies, sorry guys!

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  13. Haven't you noticed people don't want to be responsible at all? Not fiscally, not sexually, not socially.

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  14. I discussed PP once at Hannityland, I thought planning was something done PRIOR to acting upon it, abortion is not something you do BEFORE sex.

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  15. What I don't get about the Bro's point and others like him is it's such an interesting subject, so many layers and nuances, complexities, gender things going on, various isms and agendas, I mean the psychology behind it all!! In a way it's a positively fascinating subject, may as well not discuss baseball. The Bro is like a blogging communist (small c) telling us what we can and can't hash out.

    Well fuck him.

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  16. People don't like to talk about it because it makes them uncomfortable, like maybe the horror of abortion isn't happening if we don't discuss it.

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  17. "Haven't you noticed people don't want to be responsible at all? Not fiscally, not sexually, not socially?"Excellent excellent, superb insight!! Kudos-cubed. It's like my friend says he thinks we're headed for a brick wall but I said we already hit it. Kill your unborn kid, max out on your credit cards, backstab your co-workers, stuff yourself at IHOP and lose your home, it's all of a thread.

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  18. It started with the f'ing "Me generation", which is not to be confused with having rugged individualism.

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  19. That's true Beth, it all revolves around guilt. Dr. Bernard Nathanson once suggested that other normal businesses treat the immediate areas around abortion clinics as contaminated zones, contaminated in a moral sense that it and not locate there. You have your Honda Dealership next to some Planned Parenthood subclinic, it's the mainstreaming of abortion and we need to get back to the stigma.

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  20. You mean Tom Brokaw's greatest generation not. Oh don't get me started on them!!

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  21. As long as we are morally bankrupt, I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

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  22. Well, gotta run, Glenn Beck show is about to start.

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  23. You guys hit on it, but I will expand on a theme you both mentioned. People completely refusing to take responsibility for their actions goes way way beyond the realm of abortion. It is the number one reason for the lack of morality, the increased liberalism, and the dumbing down of society that has slowly but surely festered into the uncureable cancer that it is today. I don't know if it started with Dr. Spock and the "don't spank your kids" movement or if it goes even further back than that, but the destruction continues and grows worse day by day and year by year and it doesn't look like it will let up any time soon.

    As examlpe, hey McDonalds, the coffee was to hot and ITY burned me. Give me 2 million dollars--thank you. Hey Budweiser, I got drunk and your beer got me hurt. You cough up and pay the bills and support my ass for the rest of my life. Hey Mr Colt, a bad guy used your gun and shot me. He's broke so YOU pay me a few million for my suffering. Hey doc, my boy friend didn't pull out like he said he would, so give me an abortion. By the way, charge the government cause I don't have any money. I could go on, but you get the idea.

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  24. I read your comment Joe and was thinking what to say but can't really add to it, it's wisdom in a nutshell.

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  25. Yes, Joe, very good points. Too many Americans need some "tough love" -- in other words -- life ain't fair, suck it up and deal with it!

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  26. or as my friend said we need a Chinese foot up our ass......not sure what this means.

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  27. Couldn't help but notice that BB skipped right over this discussion.

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  28. Yeah man what's up with that?

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