Friday, April 12, 2013
Pro-abortionism, the quicksilver in the debate
Trying to nail down what exactly is pro-abortionism since everyone denies it so I've come up with this by way of example. Let's say I'm against affirmative action or "reverse discrimination" as it's been called, now I think I can come up with a fairly respectable and intellectually legitimate defense of my position but let's say to make my case I then relied almost exclusively on the arguments made by avowed white male racists would it be a fair assessment among the folks-at-large to say I'm a racist or bigot, that the reason I'm against a quota system is because I hate blacks? In the same way if I say I'm not pro-abortion but pro-choice but rely almost exclusively on pro-abortion argumentation, the pro-abortion worldview re the fetus in making my case then I think it not a far-fetched conclusion to say I'm also pro-abortion in addition to being pro-choice, nay probably pro-abortion first and foremost. It's not really just another abortion thread just a caveat regarding semantics that when making your case be careful whose arguments you choose to use. IF a pro-choicer uses the same material that a hardcore pro-abortionist uses and does this time and again know what I'm sayin'?
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All I say is that not I nor anyone else is qualified to make that decision for someone, and therefore it must be left up to them.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to call that pro abortion you have yourself a big time at it.
And it should please you to know that Republican lawmakers have been VERY, VERY busy... in just the first three months of 2013, 694 (six hundred and ninety four) anti-choice bills have been put forth in various legislatures.
ReplyDeleteThat's some busy folk!
IF pro-choice is different from pro-abortion then WHY do so many pro-choicers resort to the arguments used by pro-abortionists? A true pro-choicer's position might be this: abortion is a social problem and we really don't know what to do about it and so...now if you had stopped there then yeah OK pro-choice. Now if to further your "pro-choice" argument you then fall back on the fetus has no moral value and stuff like that then you're invoking pro-abortion argumentation. Your statement about is basically pro-choice but it wouldn't be hard at all for me to dig in my archives and come up with your pro-abortion argumentation time and again.
ReplyDeleteAs to your second comment ditto some of the "choicers" like Andrew Cuomo Democratic Governor of the Empire State and nominal Catholic. Apparently he's been real busy of late and deems it a priority to somehow recodify Roe vs. Wade into NYS Law and many say he's trying to go beyond even this at a time when there is rampant corruption in Albany and folks need JOBS. You know I'd say BOTH sides prioritize themselves.
ReplyDeleteThe Pro-Choice Terminology is misleading because to truly be "Pro-Choice" in relation to things that involve other individuals besides ourselves, we would have to allow Thieves the "Freedom to Choose" rather or not to Steel and Rapists "the Freedom to Choose" whether or not to Rape. The Assumption that "Free Choice" should be unlimited is just not a Realistic Idea.
ReplyDeleteI could express this same thought by using Satyavati's Words...
"All I say is that not I, nor anyone else, is qualified to make that Decision", to Steal or Rape, "for someone else, and therefore it must be left up to..." the Rapist and Thief.
I guess we could then have a Discussion about rather or not this Position is Pro-Rapist and Pro-Stealing, yet perhaps that doesn't Matter. What Matters is that we have made the Decision to do nothing to Prevent the Rape and Stealing.
After we have settled this, Next, let's start calling any attempt to Control Rape and Theft Anti-Choice, shall we?
BB and Saty have both seemed to make the same point that personhood or humanhood in the womb doesn't exist, that the fetus has to be able to live independently of its mother (birth? viability?). THAT is a classic pro-abortion argument 'cause you're pretty much saying it's morally alright or neutral to kill that fetus up 'til that point. Pro-choice would be something along the lines of I don't like abortion but......
ReplyDelete......it's interesting too that in our little colonoscopy discussion a while back the one procedure (i.e. the 6' camsnake) for assessing colorectal health always gets pushed to the forefront all the time whereas there are at least three other main options. Now I might make the point that how come a woman can have all these options re her reproduction but men constantly have the one procedure or test pushed on them. I mean Pro-Choice is about Options right? a full menu?
ReplyDeleteWhat about the disconnect; get government out of MY life and have them get into the pregnant 14 year old's life? Leads us right back into semantics- pro-choice/anti-
ReplyDeletechoice. If the government is unqualified to regulate firearms, set tax rates, frisk old ladies at
airports, run the FAA, maintain standing military forces, provide
a minimal 'safety net' etc, why is
it so qualified to police pregnant women? A taxpayer supported layer of bureaucracy headed by the Dept.
Of Fetus management?
It's interesting though that many choicers when discussing The Fetus do so in rather sarcastic terms. As for what about the disconnect? you're kidding right? I mean I could blog all day about how most of us have major and I mean major disconnects like Bloomberg of NYC is pro-choice on abortion but not on sodas transfats cigs baby formula in hospitals etc. So far I'd say the soapster is the only one here who doesn't have any disconnect issues. Do you really want to get into this BB?
ReplyDeleteIncidentally I now can post from my mobile device to my blog so I might just roll over at 3 in the morning and say something.
ReplyDeleteNeat you can post from your device.
ReplyDelete..while walking, sleeping, working, driving, shopping..should be a steady stream. :)
Interestingly, I can make considerable Points just by rewording the Points made by the Opposition. Here's a Rewording of BB's Response...
ReplyDelete"Let's get the Government out of MY life and have it get into" the lives of those who Rape and Steal. You see, if the Government got out of the Lives of Everyone, there would be nothing being done about any Crime of any sort. If we can't see what the Difference is between a Colonoscopy and an Abortion, than we are truly in Denial.
Again, I Reword BB-Idaho... "Why is" the Government "so qualified to Police" Rape and Theft? Yes, why are they Qualified to Police anything. Let's have Anarchy instead. Shall we?
Believe it or not, there are better arguments for allowing at least some Abortions, yet the better Arguments are rarely ever the ones that the Pro-Choice/Pro-Abortion people on this Blog ever bring up.
Z-man points out how the Soapster may be the only person who comments on this Blog who doesn't have "Disconnect", yet I've found him to be quite a Black and White Thinker.
Life is more Gray than that. Some Regulations are necessary, some are not. Some Freedoms infringe on the Freedoms of others, some do no and Some things pass the Cost/Benefit Test, some do not. Yes, Life is Inconsistent because things are not Black and White. This is how Life is. Deal with it!!
I don't Hardly think that Investigating all Women who have had Miscarriages is going to Pass the Cost/Benefit Test. I agree with everyone here that that is Ridiculous. This is an Unfortunate Side Effect of Black and White Thinking, that is that everything has to be all one way or the other. This is what I keep saying and yet neither side seems to get it.
If the Cost of ridding ourselves of all Disconnect is Black and White thinking then there will be no Compromise. Instead, we will have Continuous Bickering and Gridlock and get nothing done. Is that really what we want? It surprises me a little to what extent people don't even seem to realize when they are involved in meaningless, and well somewhat Accusatory Chatter, mostly focused on the Extremes.
Hey, you know. What about the Disconnect between our Political Beliefs and the Realization of the Very Real Human Characteristics of the Unborn Child? Talk about Disconnect. Girls have to Disconnect from their feelings in order to Participate in Abortion and some of them think they can Disconnect from these feelings and later realize that they can't. This is what leads to the Post Abortion Syndrome Problem, Characterized by Intense Feelings of both Guilt and Loss.
ReplyDeleteAnother disconnect, how can one be so fiercely libertarian on the abortion issue but big gov't on most other issues? I think we have the right to be inconsistent. Mayor Bloomberg of NYC is somehow more offended by a Big Gulp than killing a fetus and even though some of us can't understand that his inconsistency is dear to his heart.
ReplyDeleteKermit Gosnell, what the hell kind of a freak/horror show is that?!?
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