Celebrity stalking
First off this isn't or shouldn't be a problem for us conservatives, rank-and-file conservatives view the average Hollywood celebrity as an airhead with left-wing leanings so where's the attraction? Then there's what I once called over at Hannityland our social caste system, no way Tyra Banks is gonna go out with some lonely drifter so why even go after someone totally outside of your own socio-economic orbit when you can bother the girl next door? So Brady Green, Tyra's stalker has been convicted at a non-jury trial and the judge would rather sentence him to psychiatric counseling rather than the 90 days in jail. I've talked about this before but you can't police somebody's head, you can only punish their actions. If I like Celebrity X or Z that's entirely between me myself and I, so long as my actions don't get out of bounds my mental domain is totally autonomous and no business of the Law. I am the sole judge and arbiter of my imaginative life, you cannot punish a person's thoughts and Hannity once said that's the real problem he has with hate-crime legislation, you're really in effect punishing a person's thoughts. So basically this judge sentencing Mr. Green to spend time with a shrink, first off it won't work nor should it, so some egghead is going to be able to dislodge IT? Only Mr. Green's actions should be the purview of the Law and as such he'd be better off getting the 90 days, as with Hannity's point there's the faintest whiff of fascism in the air say if Green is in some Barnes & Noble some day and wants to purchase a Tyra Banks calendar and the clerk calls security. It's Orwellian thought control and reading about these cases which for some quirk are becoming more common among the celebrity set a common thing is sending the woman flowers and gifts. Now you can debate the wisdom of this, Z doesn't think it's such a great idea in this day and age but by the same token it never struck me as a crime-crime, you know like bank robbery or embezzlement. If I were a cop I'd be like I didn't become a cop for this, it's basically Society making up laws as they go along. Celebrity stalking, it's weird for so many reasons and it's weirdly political but basically the mind cannot be put into a prison, punish people for what they do not what they think. If there's one rule at Stranded it's be not afraid, everything is bloggable and the day the cops come for your Cindy Crawford calendar it's over.
Excellent observations.
ReplyDeleteLike the saying "you can't legislate morality" indeed one's thoughts and one's desires for that matter also cannot be judged.
Here's what I'm getting at and it ties in with a type of fascism or thought control. Say you fall in love with someone, maybe even a celebrity (although I don't know why) and let's further stipulate that your actions remain within reasonable bounds, who is to judge your feelings for someone else? by what authority can they pronounce your love for that person to be somehow invalid and inappropriate? THAT'S the problem I have with the mandatory shrink time, the whole premise is wrong. Who am I to judge his feelings for Tyra Banks? all I can do is judge his actions. Practically speaking he should've realized he couldn't make it with a diva with a golden pussy but how many women fantasize about Antonio Banderas (or yours truly)? Modern psychiatry is a crock of shit and the law should just deal with the penal aspect. Pretty provocative blog no?
ReplyDeleteWho said "if loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right?" I don't think that person was trying to land themselves in jail or in therapy, just expressing their feelings!
ReplyDeleteI'm also interested in the subject of the Rejectors, what makes them tick? are they by nature anti-social? weak sexual feelings? not willing to take a chance? obsessed with career? if shrinks can concern themselves with stalkers why not women who are always saying no? I remember overhearing a snippet of a telephone conversation at work, it was quite by accident and the woman goes "I'm not ready for a relationship right now" and my immediate reaction was BORING!
ReplyDeleteWomen have the right to not want to date, but they should be nice about it. Sometimes the chemistry ain't there.
ReplyDeleteI'm not talking about rights but the Rejectors and why they reject. Put another way what are they looking for? they never seem to say, it's some cryptic cultural blank for the man to figure out or at least try. Chemistry, explain...
ReplyDeleteBut Beth that's kind of a contradiction at work, how can you tell if there's no chemistry in the first place if you don't go out with that person? The NO kind of means they ain't willing to explore the chemistry if there is any. People who date different people all the time at least know this, they don't reject or if they do say no later on they at least have a better foundation.
ReplyDeletehere's the question though, do gays and lesbians reject each other less than us heteros? since there's so much conflict between the sexes maybe they understand each other better in their own way. the tyra fan's real crime was that he isn't billy dee williams imo, guess she isn't one of andrea peyser's celebutards.
ReplyDeleteYou ask about chemistry and needing to go our first to find out if its there, but for the guy who asks out a woman, there had to be a reason that made him want to ask her in the first place. If he doesn't know her at all but just asks a woman out based on her looks, then she might decide he is shallow and say no. If he has gotten to know her casually and likes the person that she is, so he asks her out, then she would have the same chance to get to know him and be able to decide if there is chemistry or not. Now if it were me, I am the type of person who would be willing to give anyone a chance, but I'm no Tyra Banks either.
ReplyDeleteI think the thing with rejection is it strikes at the heart of your psyche whether people admit to this or not. Your sexuality is an extremely sensitive area, it involves things like your self-confidence, your feelings of desireability etc. People won't admit it at least if they're not honest but rejection causes you to question all that but the beautiful woman who says no because she thinks you're shallow well that's a Catch-22 since she'd always be saying no and wouldn't know the men who are being sincere. It's like if you fall in love with a very attractive woman people automatically assume it's some type of infatuation but I too would be willing to give nearly anyone a chance. I've met women many years ago who I never went out with and really had no interest in at the time but looking back years down the road my decision today would be different so I don't get people who feel these instant impressions at first are set in stone for life.
ReplyDeleteOh dear Lord, I set up a gmail account for our cub scout pack and I accidentally posted here while I was still logged in under that account, I think I may be losing my mind, don't mind me, move along...
ReplyDeleteNow I can make a comment to reply to yours Z as myself.
ReplyDeleteI would venture to guess there are women who looking back wish they had said yes to a date with you. You haven't brought up the topic lately of Life imitating Art and wishing it could, but usually it doesn't. I'm sure most people wish they could do things over.
You just made a false assumption, that I have asked many women out and they've all said no. Not the case but having been rejected once I am rather empathetic to all the losers out there. That's the problem with bringing up certain themes, people think the inspiration is 100% personal when it's maybe half and the other half is just being sympathetic. Comment's getting long so I'm gonna break it down...
ReplyDeleteA partial theory of mine and it doesn't explain everything, not a unified field theory or anything but I think if sex is not that important in a person's life, say a woman is focused soley on career and she can take or leave the other thing, well when a man makes the approach she might think of it in animalistic terms. In other words these women are totally rational and as such are capable of making totally emotionless decisions in this area, not a bad thing in and of itself but they don't get swept away by passion like much of humanity. It's not in their blood, you could look like Denzel but if it ain't right in their book it ain't gonna happen.
ReplyDeleteYou are right, I shouldn't have made assumptions, I only knew about butterfly woman, and I still say she lost out big time.
ReplyDeleteI just read my horoscope the other day in the New York Post. Sally Brompton has the best horoscopes goihg, very philosophical and the one the other day for Pisces said "don't deny your feelings, they are part of what make you human." To me and you said it earlier you can't really judge another person's thoughts and desires. If I or you or anybody else for that matter has a special fondness for somebody and it probably won't be requited but we can hope, well if it lasts for a lifetime modern psychiatry seems to be saying it's wrong but I would go with it is what it is. You can't really judge it or even need to and those who make judgements on your feelings and desires, imo they are telling you how to think and if you give in out of societal pressure or what you have you're letting others think for you. Your mind is your own, let it rove wherever or as Woody Allen once said "the heart wants what the heart wants."
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteI'd bet dollars to doughnuts many of us harbor secret fantasies about someone but it's socially incorrect and so it's our little secret. The problem with the stalking issue is it's so gray, yesterday's secret admirer is today's stalker. Not that these things don't exist but I think it's largely a feminist concoction only people are afraid to say so. "So-and-so's at the bowling alley, if you hurry you can meet her" but today that's problematic.
ReplyDeleteArrested a stalker here in town last month. Been calling a lady
ReplyDelete24/7 for over 10 years. She finally got a restraining order.
Made him angry. Cops arrested him
at the Walmart parking lot, an entire armory in his truck. He wrote a letter to the editor that he was being picked on. heh
..many years back, I had a guy called me in the middle of the night, threatening to come right over and kill me. Went on for weeks, the usual, "I know where you live, gonna blow your brains out" stuff. Finally decided the voice had a slight southern accent, like a young kid on our
night shift. So, I mentioned it to him, noting that I hated getting woken and preferred daytime threats. The threats stopped all together. Never figured that out.
There are always the extreme cases, very colorful in the news. I'd bet in many of the grayer cases, the part-time stalker if you will, the woman leads the man on at first then tells the cops he misinterpreted something. Heard of a case involving an auto mechanic. Gal would come into the repair shop and he'd work on her car and he developed a liking for her and they got to talking and after the job was done he'd leave a tape of her favorite music in her tape-player and she liked that and all, didn't say stop it or you're giving me the heebie-jeebies but when he made the mistake of going to her neighborhood once to I guess "accidentally" get to know her and got himself arrested instead and had to go to court. Many people who know the story were actually sympathetic to him rather than her and since he wasn't the 24/7 10 year type felt it was a waste of time to take it to court. I've heard cops themselves say some of these cases are a waste of time too and they chalk it up to a kind of feminist-induced collective hysteria but that's off the record I'm sure.
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