Saturday, November 10, 2012
I wonder what Glenn Beck would say about this
NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants to put some displaced victims of Tropical Storm Sandy in jail. To me it's creepy and I haven't even read any conspiratorial material about the storm yet. President Obama will visit NYC sometime next Thursday to see how relief efforts are coming along (why not Monday, Tuesday at the latest?). Bloomberg you'll remember suddenly endorsed him very late in the game because he feels he can somehow apparently avert hurricanes and heal the Planet. Nor have I read any religious/apocalyptic interpretations, theological offerings of these latest extreme weather events. Where is the Rev. Pat Robertson when you need him? Elected officials like to blame the utility companies but it's high past time the public held elected officials accountable Cuomo in particular. To those of you with an overconfident faith in Big Government and you know who you are consider some of these massive gas lines almost two weeks after the storm. I was saddened but not surprised to hear that newly minted President Obama is still railing against the Rich (defined as those individuals/family entities making over $250,000/yr.) and wants to stick it to them so we don't go over the fastly approaching fiscal cliff and if you don't agree with him you're not a compromiser. You'd think a reelection that you may not have fully deserved or earned would be a humbling experience and you would have learned a few things along the way and maybe decide to change course a little over the next term. I was pondering this thought the other day -- which is worse over the long haul catastrophic damage from the latest weird weather event from Mother Nature or our long-range debt/deficit? now that the msm has amply covered the former how 'bout the latter? Have at it as you will:)
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Not sure what Glenn would say;
ReplyDeleteBeck did endorse Allen West for president, so he is
creative. IMO, the storm damage in your area affected a huge urban
population and it is doubtful things can get back to normal in
just a couple of weeks. Idaho sent
12 red cross workers (cutting our
population here in half). Apparently the gasoline situation
involves some damaged refineries
as well as transport infrastructure. That doesn't make it any better...it has to be extremely frustrating for folks.
I have said absolutely everything I am going to say on this subject.
ReplyDeleteOf course, it's all been deleted, stonewalled and ignored.
That in itself says it all.
They should put the whole New York Stake government on jail
ReplyDeleteElected officials blame utlity companies? I don't see how considering they ensure their monopoly/duopoly. Hello! Ever heard of the PUC???
ReplyDeleteSaty let me begin by saying I live in the NY Tri-State area where the media here overhype every storm and it's gonna happen this winter again and then they get the populace all excited and here we go again so as luck would have it every 30 times or so they finally get something right. Many of our initial reactions here get primed by the NY media overcoverage of storms ("Oh not this again!") and I actually think this is dangerous in this sense -- if they overhyped the last twenty storms or so some folks are simply gonna ignore their coverage of something that actually deserves coverage and put themselves in danger and last I checked I as a blogger reserve the creative right to delete some of my own work and if that includes others' comments besides your own of course well that's the way it goes. My personal inconvenience or convenience as the case may be doesn't enter the picture here as I've endured my fair share of power outages in my life most notably the one I mentioned in the middle of January during an extremely cold winter. I've lived through at least two major hurricanes in my life as well as a hailstorm that strongly resembled a tornado. Again I live in the NY media corridor where you expect them to overhype every storm so I'm starting fresh with my comments and observations here.
ReplyDeleteBB I here ya but this is the first time in my life and remember I've lived through alot of major storms here but this is the first time in my life I remember a major weather event causing a severe fuel crisis and you have to go back to Carter and the '70s to get those gas lines. I'm of the cynical bent as is soapster so I'm entitled to my take and again it all points towards the overall inefficiency of government. I'm gonna reserve my next comment for media coverage of Sandy which I have a couple of issues with.
ReplyDeleteWhen I woke up after Tropical Storm Sandy and proceeded to go to work quite early and this is Yonkers remember but I didn't see absolute devastation and got around quite well all things considered and only saw how selective the storm was when I went home later that day to watch the news and it seems to me most of the damage was caused by the storm surge down the Sound and up the River. The msm heavily focuses on the negative and lost in the picture were the many areas that didn't lose power or suffer huge damages so in my view Sandy didn't have the consistent effects of a true hurricane but it was devastating enough. The media's historical perspective here is that Sandy was somehow the storm of the century and now they're upgrading it as second to Katrina in damage and maybe tomorrow they'll say it surpassed the Biblical Flood. The storm was damaging and devastating enough without losing perspective. Lastly and this is important it's been said that the storm hit the PAUSE button on Romney's momentum and the important issues of the campaign like the nat'l debt and deficit got ignored but who's fault is that? IMO the media's. Sandy deserved coverage and extra-coverage at that but nonstop 24/7 coverage? I think they did the voting public a disservice here and it's a tricky issue how much coverage but that's just my 2 cents.
ReplyDeleteWell let me say this. I have been commenting via my iPhone for the past 2 weeks. Why ? Because my wife and I have been virtualy homeless since the storm.. And we haven't seen a FEMA truck, car, person, or a government representive from day one.
ReplyDeleteIf Bush were in office the screaming would be heard from here in NY to California .
Where the HELL is Oama's help? We saw h once waltzing around with his Air Force One jacket taking pictures kissing and hugging old ladies and haven't seen h since . Except hiding under his desk avoiding answering questions about Libya
'President Obama still railing against the rich' illicited an interesting comment from Bobby Jindal :
ReplyDelete"We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys"
So now you get punished because you are successful?
ReplyDeleteIt sure don't sound like the America I remember. But at least the Moochers got their Obamaphones. Thank God for that.
Darth, I don't expect you to actually know the facts, so please, let me enlighten you about the cell phone thing, which began way the hell back in the day, long before Obama ever came on the scene. In fact I think it might have been Reagan who started it; if not him, then one of the Bushes for sure.
ReplyDeleteI guarantee you the cell phone program did NOT start with Obama.
Not like facts matter to you...
Thanks for the enlightenment , I honestly don't know what I'd do without you!!
ReplyDeleteStupid me, I should have known it was Bush's fault
ReplyDeleteI don't blame folks for complaining about being without
ReplyDeletepower, heat, shelter. Our Bonneville Power way out here has sent line crews over the last two weeks...among the 8,000 linemen
brought in to help. It ain't easy
being cold, thirsty and miserable...but it ain't easy, even with 8000 linemen on the poles, to get everything back to normal. Just sayin...
Darth, Bobby Jindal is a Republican: he is just saying most
working folks aren't that keen on
sacrificing so the very wealthy don't have to pay much tax; so direct your GOP anger at him....
Excuse me, but but Bobby Jimdel is NOT my president, or yours either
ReplyDeleteIt is true that the percentage of earnings paid by the well to do is less but in terms of real dollars, and let's be honest here dollars are what governments long for, is much higher than the poor and or middle class. For the life of me, I cannot think of a good or service for which the cost is based upon one's income. A loaf of bread, a carton of eggs, a pound of butter, a new car or television, a massage, a haircut, cable television, a cell phone contract...the cost of said goods and services are the same regardless of the individual's purchasing power. Ah..but government services are quite another beast. And why might we suppose that is? It is for no other reason than the lot of the American electorate have no sense of morality. Despite the efforts in the earlier stages of our nation's history against slavery, they feel an inherent desire to stake claim to the fruits and the labors of others in the hope that they may find themselves beneficiaries of such largess.
ReplyDeleteAnd instead of bemoaning the fact that the wealthy should pay a higher percentage, how about making a sensible and moral argument that the middle and lower classes (as well as the higher and highest) should pay a much much lower income tax. Like say zero.
ReplyDeleteDarth is right on two fronts, gov't is woefully ineffective esp. in times of weather crises and Obama gets a pass on Sandy whereas Bush didn't on Katrina. How much coverage should the media have given Tropical Storm Sandy? tied in with this is how many of the msm secretly feel like Chris Matthews? I don't think of an official grand conspiracy here but I think the msm somehow made a collective decision that we're gonna go with the Storm. First off it WAS and still is newsworthy (Z not denying this) but in the back of their heads they got to blunt Romney's momentum. Tropical Storm Irene got similar media attention about a year ago but with Sandy you got a critical important difference, it happened right before the Election. Does anyone remember Irene? John Podhoretz of the NY Post recently wrote that it caused more damage than Sandy but I think here you had that perfect alignment of forces, extreme weather and politics.
ReplyDeleteBB you mention power outages but what I'm noticing is a lack of philosophy among the people. Not that you want it to happen but given the choice would you want your power loss to happen when it did around Halloween or as it did to me in the middle of January during a particularly brutal winter? it might be a small thing to be thankful for come bird day. Now one of the iconic images of Sandy is the fire they had in Breezy Pt. Queens that destroyed about 111 homes, flames fanned by the fierce winds but why should there be a fire in the first place? NYC, always a fire somewhere and maybe that's the problem. Well that's just my usual oblique POV.
ReplyDeleteMy basis position on the Rich, if you work hard and come by your success honestly why should you be punished? That's the spirit animating Obama and his supporters that somehow the Rich need to be punished and when you get right down to it that's the spirit behind Communism and for this reason I think all this class warfare talk is dangerous. Obama is not willing to compromise on taxing the rich and is willing it seems to drive this country right over the fiscal cliff because of it and yet he accuses the Republicans of not being willing to compromise. There's always that basic arrogant component of his personality and it seems to have grown after his win and the fact that he's willing to ruin the economy is downright scary.
ReplyDeleteIMO, whether cognitively or inately, hard-working folks either
ReplyDeletefeel or know that productivity has
gone up rapidly over the last 40 years, corporate profits have gone up, wealth has distributed upwards during that time and their working
wages have not kept up. Perhaps they even see the Trump as a typical rich guy, inheriting his wealth and declaring 'bankruptcy'
a few times as he got richer and richer. So they think they need a fair shake and a balanced playing field. Like the tax rate on working hard shouldn't be much higher than the tax rate on cap
gains, or the depreciation on some
CEO's mistress should be denied.
The great majority of folk work hard and do not get rich. Call it
class warfare, or call it the search for a fair shake, our system has deteriorated since the
fifties. (check with your dad)
But my Dad is not a class-warfarer. Look Bill Clinton said recently that and I'm paraphrasing here but if you feel taxes should be raised on the rich that's a valid position, you should never abandon it but sometimes the time comes when you have to put it aside in order to compromise. Obama doesn't seem willing to do that and so I'm just a few mm closer to seeing him as a Marxist. Getting back to the weather everything is political. If Irene caused more damage empirically than Sandy why is the greater emphasis being placed on Sandy and why have people forgotten Irene? In a word politics and in msmland the Perfect Storm really means something that happens around election day and will benefit the Democrat.
ReplyDeleteSandy wasn't a big deal, remember?
ReplyDeleteZ-Man, if by compromise, you think Obama should do exactly what the GOP house tells him to, I suppose.
ReplyDeletemm closer to Marx: ever look at the US tax code? They dropped the top marginal rate in the years before the Great Depression (hmm, cause + effect?), raised them in
1932 and kept them high until 1988.
Which makes quite a few marxist presidents by your lights. Didn't think your dad was a class warrior,
just thought that he might remember
how well off we ALL were back in the 1950s. When I was in college, you could walk into any warehouse,
service shop, any place in town and
have a job before nightfall. Unloaded boxcars in the AM for $6
an hour, took classes and labs in the afternoon and evening (fulltime credits+labs) at $123 a
semester. Try that in 2012 Yonkers.
A big deal but not the biggest deal Saty. Remember I've lived in Yonkers my whole life and the days after the storm I did a fair amount of driving in Westchester as I always do. About three days after Sandy I got a pre-recorded phone message from Mike Spano the Democrat Mayor of Yonkers saying this was an unprecedented, the worst storm in the history of Yonkers and here's some numbers to call. Sure the Yonkers pier area got hit hard and the surrounding neighborhoods but Yonkers is a large city and while there were traffic lights out on Central Ave. and some trees down here and there again I didn't notice the absolute devastation his message led me to believe. If you want accurate information from my admittedly limited corner of the world then here it is but there's a word that came to mind after I listened to Mike Spano's message, propaganda.
ReplyDeleteEmotionalism, was watching my local news last night and they interviewed one victim of Sandy who said he didn't vote for Obama but after Obama's visit and show of concern he might have so again politics and weather. Long-term debt and deficit if this all leads to a total financial collapse it'll far surpass the damages inflicted from a tropical storm and that's the bigger issue the media, yes the liberal media in Obama's corner is ignoring. The physical effects of a major storm you can see, they're tangible but the storm that may be about to hit the economy caused by Obama's policies is something the msm doesn't care to talk about.
ReplyDeleteBB let's remember the idea for progressive taxation is right there in Karl Marx's Manifesto. It has nothing to do with the GOP telling Obama what to do, compromise simply means accepting political reality. What that means is you start out with your position, say Obama wants to raise rates on the rich. OK all well and good but over time if you can't get anywhere with your position then that's where the compromise comes into play. That's the nature of politics BB not having everything your way or the other guy's way so I can see you saying Obama should push the issue but what I'm saying is you can only push so far and you don't threaten to throw us into another recession simply because you feel your own principles are better and somehow more sacred.
ReplyDelete60 million people affected by Sandy, but Yonkers is (apparently) that same little invisible bubble that the Libertarians live in that isn't affected by things that affect the rest of the world, so it wasn't the WORST storm.
ReplyDeleteBecause like I pointed out before, the measure of severity is one's own personal inconvenience.
Ooh, I'm sorry, was that one of the statements that the fascists previously censored?
True, 'BB let's remember the idea for progressive taxation is right there in Karl Marx's Manifesto'.
ReplyDeleteHe was a social economist, afterall. Let's also remember-
before Marx:
Taxes during 14th century were very progressive; The 1377 Poll tax noted that the tax on the Duke of Lancaster was 520 times the tax on the common peasant. Prior to 1629, The King's Writ stated that individuals should be taxed according to status and means. Hence the idea of a progressive tax on those with the ability to pay was developed very early.
Charles I was beheaded, though progressive taxation continued through the commonwealth. Thomas Paine proposed a rigorous progressive tax scheme, as did Ben Franklin (they got the idea from Adam Smith) The first income tax suggested in the United States was during the War of 1812. The tax was based on the British Tax Act of 1798 and applied progressive rates to income. (War of 1812 ended and the
tax never went into effect).
Lincoln used progressive taxation in the Civil War. So we can blame Marx, but the historical thinking
is informative as well. We should also consider regressive taxation in light of Robin Hood, the many peasants rebellions and the guillotines of the French Revolution....
When it comes to personal inconvenience I've more than paid my dues. There was a massive cyclone in India I think the day after Sandy not that anybody cares. Here's the thing with federal aid everyone wants it and that goes for the Democrat Mayor of Yonkers to Republican Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino. Look you don't live here so how can you tell me my firsthand observations are somehow inaccurate? Previously you and Beth and Dave Miller expressed some concern over my well-being, remember? and then when I report back from my neck of the woods in an objective manner that's somehow offensive and doesn't jibe with the msm? Getting back to Astorino when Westchester first sought that federal declaration of a disaster area many thought the case was weak (are they insensitive too?) but they eventually got it. I call it piggybacking tragedy when communities that suffered less damage than other parts somehow still become entitled to the federal largesse. Apparently you all feel that money just grows on trees.
ReplyDeleteOurs is a tech-generation not used to suffering or discomfort. One of the few truly conservative pieces in the wake of Sandy.
ReplyDeleteI used to work in a flower shop in the Bronx and had to go to City Island one day to make a delivery. It was low tide and I had to go to this house literally built on stilts. Is that structure gonna withstand any major storm? Why do they build houses like this? it's like they want them to collapse. My pastor said and this was way before any Sandy why would you build a house in a precarious environment next to a major body of water? Dave and I agree on this much, those folks who make poor real estate choices and then get hit should be bailed out once or even twice but thereafter you're on your own. Ya know there's only so much money...the New Meteorology where tropical storms go down in History as hurricanes. Mostly a major windstorm but without the torrential rains and predicted inland flooding but mostly a massive tidal storm surge...You know what I fear, someday there will be a storm of storms, the real thing, nobody will have any doubts and it'll make a mockery of some of the current coverage when we look back. I was perusing some material lately and there could be a major major winter storm coming up, there's a coastal storm right now brewing somewhere out in the ocean they don't think is really gonna influence Thanksgiving but Sandy may only be the start. Sometimes you can't spend all your angst on one storm, you should be thinking of the next one and maybe that's another problem with media coverage on one event, where's the Plan B (and C&D)?
ReplyDeleteI have lived through my share of disasters.
ReplyDeleteYou more than likely don't remember Bertha, Bonnie, Fran, Floyd, Irene or Dennis.
I know what it's like to live without power for weeks, what it means to electrical workers from the other side of the country when you bring them a sandwich and say thanks, how it is to have the National Guard and the Marines in your front yard for months on end, how the sun shines through the eye of a hurricane, how beautiful the weather is the next day. I know what it is to look down a street and see only holes where there used to be houses, how dark a city is at night with no power, and how quiet, with nothing but the sound of generators and chainsaws.
Begging your pardon, I know plenty about disasters. And that they don't just affect me, or my neighborhood, or my county.
The problem with society today is that they don't care about anything that doesn't affect them personally.
Your personal inconvenience theory. BTW ever have an ongoing tinnitus-like condition? I was definitely inconvenienced the morning after Sandy. I live next to an elderly neighbor who lives alone, a woman over 90 and a large branch fell from a tree and was leaning against her telephone wire so I took two saws I had and spent the better part of the early morning sawing it in pieces and threw them over the fence of her backyard. In fact over that fence are many many branches I've cut over the years for her selfish unconcerned Republican that I am. That said while cutting that branch after Sandy it never dawned on me that it was an unprecedented storm, a once-in-a-lifetime event nobody ever saw before. Supertornadoes in the Midwest, now we're talkin' two miles in diameter and 200MPH winds in some cases so was Sandy worse than that? Saty I think if you boil it down I have a problem with the media's use of superlatives here, broad statements that simply make no sense under analysis and now the specials like NOVA and Discovery are coming out. I think it has to do with two things, to frighten you into the loving arms of government and to serve the global warming agenda so I can have these issues with the media and still help my neighbor.
ReplyDeleteNow about power outages they do not automatically make for an apocalypse and I've had my share as have most people. Try taking a shower during a power outage in the middle of January, you feel like a concentration camp victim.
ReplyDelete"The problem with society today is that they don't care about anything that doesn't affect them personally."
ReplyDeleteSays the woman who presumably voted for president Obama because of Obamacare. The same president Obama who orders drone bombing which results in the massive loss of lives of innocent men, women, and children.
Here, have a heaping cup of cognitive dissonance.
OK so after I cut up my neighbor's branch I was later in a sloping backyard getting rid of some minor twigs and branches and slipped and fell backwards and the side of my head hit the ground. Over on the workfront we were without power for close to a week and spent the better part of two days throwing most of the food out. Popped a couple Ibuprofen here and there, who knows where the pains came from and there was a twenty minute gas wait at Valero's but that wasn't that bad all things considered...other than that I wasn't personally inconvenienced in the least. I'll tell you what I'll swap you my ongoing tinnitus, my unpredictable bowels, my high-blood pressure and anything else you care to throw in. I was once lost in the Clarence Fahnstock State Park in Carmel all day in the fall and was without food or drink and came out at nightfall by eventually following the thin ribbon of lights I saw in the east that was actually cars driving on the Taconic and finally found my car and drove home and my legs were sore all week because of all the aimless walking I did. I once had a severe case of Lyme where my right knee was swollen and I had to walk around on crutches. I've lived a charmed and carefree life, blessed and born with a silver spoon in my mouth, an existence totally devoid of suffering and the usual tribulations that afflict the Human Race and just can't relate I'm sorry:)
ReplyDeleteIt is possible some of the stomache, blood pressure, headache
ReplyDeleteetc. problems are related to long term after effect of the Lyme bacteria. You are probably aware of
some of the symptoms. ..I've never gotten lost in a State Park,
but drove around hopelessly lost in
Casper, Wyoming one time....
I've never considered that BB. When they found out what it was the doctor and he was a good one prescribed amoxycillin and probenecid and I gradually got better but had to walk around for about a week with a cane upon my return to work. I've been chalking it up to job stress lately and angst in general. I've recently started taking up yogurt and it really seems to have helped......
ReplyDeleteor maybe it's just this blog.
Why I disagree with the personal inconvenience theory, if you distill my comments it really has more to do with the media coverage of Sandy being hyperbolic around the edges by which I mean it was a bad storm with some major damage but by no means the worst storm in the history of mankind (see section on tornadoes for example). Weather experts and assorted pundits/reporters in general went with things like "unprecedented, once-in-a-lifetime, never saw anything like it" etc. etc. and I just thought this was offensive to the victims of Katrina for starters. Also you add this rather distorted coverage (distorted in a sort of weather history context) right before a major and very important, nay critical election in the eyes of the msm and the rest of us of course and I really think it sealed Obama's reelection because if nothing else he got to look presidential. Yeah the whole global warming agenda too is now being served courtesy of Sandy as even the Jim Lehrer Newshour now has a segment spawned by Sandy called "Coping with Climate Change." Personal inconvenience and a failure to relate? not so much, more like the politicization of the weather.
ReplyDeleteKatrina/Sandy, sort of like apples and oranges. In one case there is a city at or below sea level, in the other a dense urban center; both bad, just different. You can blame Gore for politicizing the science and his opponents for denigrating it, but it will be some time before horrendous megastorms...about 2075, IMO. :)
ReplyDeleteYou DO realize that in many parameters Sandy WAS unique and unprecedented. I believe it was the lowest barometric pressure measured in a storm that far north... if the water temperature had been higher it would have been a cat5 easily.
ReplyDeleteThe storm surge at the Battery was 17.34 feet, which completely obliterated the previous record, set in the 1800's, of 11.25 feet. Not to mention that there's a whole lot more stuff at the Battery than there was in the 1800's.
The interaction between tropical and extratropical storms (which happened here) is not unprecedented but is a very rare occurrence. The physical spread of the storm, which covered close to 1000 miles, meant that an unprecedented number of people (60 million) felt the impacts of this storm, and the area hit was/is one of the most important in the world on many levels.
I received a letter from Catholic Charities yesterday asking money for Sandy Relief. I didn't agree with all the assertions in the letter like Sandy was one of the worst disasters in American History. Maybe that's the thing, there were ALOT of statements the media made at the time and they were made immediately and broadly but that are at least debateable. Like that statement in the letter you'd really have to hunker down in a library somewhere for a few days and google the entire subject (the 1800's, how 'bout the Childrens' Blizzard of which a book was written?) but with supertornadoes in the West still fresh in my mind, whole towns literally obliterated imo that automatically notches Sandy down at least a notch or two. Getting back to Msgr. Kevin Sullivan's letter I'm not gonna argue the subject with him so I simply cut a check for $100 and mailed it in.
ReplyDeleteIn George Will's recent column about the absurdity of the last year he says the global warmers have predicted many more major hurricanes (defined as Cat 3 or more, now don't get on me!) and Will says since Katrina in '05 there have been none like that and the last few didn't even hit Florida. Oh here's another bone to pick and it's a big one. More and more stories are now coming out about the death toll from Sandy, New Yorkers drowning in their homes and things like that so here's the deal -- why didn't Mayor Bloomberg, the Mayor of the Five Boroughs order more evacuations? I'm not getting that one and it's like he still doesn't get it.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Will, climate scientist, also predicted a Romney landslide.
ReplyDeleteClimate change effects are gradual and making any weather predictions
for the near future, problematic: long term-real squirrely weather.
That's the metrics. The plains blizzard of 1888 was sudden and fierce, but that is what happens
in that area. They are still sudden
and fierce, but more predictible:
the teachers and kids holed up in
one room schoolhouses have been replaced by highway gates (if ya travel out that way) that read
RETURN TO GRAND ISLAND etc. The media is full of weather updates
and cars make better shelters than
a horse and wagon. Official evacuations are always iffy. Folks get mad if they have to leave, traffic gets snarled and sometimes the storm doesn't meet predictions: so authorities make
judgement calls. I'm with you on
blizzards, Z-Man. Recall a guy in
MN whose car quit and he wandered
around until he froze to death.
Back in the day, I used to challenge blizzards with my 67
Landcruiser, just for fun. One time
after drift-busting, could not find
anyplace open to get a bite to eat.
Except, ironically..a sole Dairy
Queen. Just sayin....
& you know what they say, watch out for the yellow snow. Now when Sandy was gonna hit the Mayor of Yonkers Mike Spano put into effect what's known as a voluntary evacuation in south Yonkers by the waterfront and the thought occured if it's serious enough to have an evacuation an evacuation should be an evacuation. I mean if it's one of the Storms of All Time how could you have a voluntary evacuation? Kind of alot of contradictions here. My place of work, yeah they all treated it like the media said to treat it, as one of the Storms of All Time and yet the night crew still had to come in and work. Kind of a disconnect no?
ReplyDeleteYep, I guess 'voluntary evacuation'
ReplyDeleteworks about as well as voluntary
taxes...
I don't have the #'s yet on how many south Yonkerites voluntarily evacuated but it might make sense to get away from a mother-in-law and get some free chow at a shelter. Some guy by the name of Irwin Schiff I think it was claimed taxes are purely voluntary and used to counsel people as such but if memory serves he eventually served some time:)
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