Friday, November 30, 2012
Will Obama wreck the U.S. economy just to prove a point?
The fiscal cliff, he's still in campaign mode. The issue on the table: should tax rates be raised on the rich? Now while I disagree with that position I would also say it's not an invalid position to take but should Obama dig in and pursue it at all costs even if it means the country heading into another recession? That's the definition of an ideologue, maybe even a socialist. My point: take your point as far as it will go, put it away for now if you have to and revisit it another day. Obama is framing the solving our debt/deficit narrative as the public vs. the wealthy, raising taxes on those making over $250,000/yr. in order to spare the middle-class. He says his reelection was a public mandate to do just this and maybe he's right but I daresay most presidents would vastly prefer to compromise a little on their own principles instead of throwing the country into an economic tailspin. Why such intransigence? Even if you're a liberal how can you not be frightened by this? and then let's say come Jan. 1 the nation falls right over the fiscal cliff and then Obama will ultimately blame the rich and pursue the class-warfare right through his second term. My take, he's not so much a leader as somebody with some issues. Mr. Obama, a professional angry person.
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Grover Norquist's minions are showing signs of stress.
ReplyDeleteIf Boehner refuses to increase the
ReplyDeletetop marginal tax rate, and Obama refuses to kick 50 million old folks off social security-it will
be best to just kick the can down the road .
I'm sorry, is there a reason why the Republicans will bear no responsibility here?
ReplyDeletePlease. The public already understands who refuses to compromise, who refuses to act, and who refuses to do anything to help the middle class.
Let's clarify it again Saty: Obama is perfectly willing for the entire country to drive right off the fiscal cliff IF the Republicans don't agree to increase tax rates on the rich. I didn't even get into whether it's a good idea or not to raise taxes on the rich, the pros and cons just that the ONE THING that Obama is not willing to compromise on is this one issue. I've gone on the record as saying Obama's is not an invalid position per se but how much and to what lengths do you push it?
ReplyDeleteOf course the one group where it's wrong and always condemned in taking their point too hard and too long, in trying to impose it on the rest of the country and not being willing to compromise is, you guessed it
ReplyDeleteTHE PRO-LIFERS
as you're never tired of reminding us but when Obama does this, develops a political fixation of his own namely about the rich it's OK:)
Hey BB how did Grover become the Devil?
ReplyDeleteThe responsibility bears just as much on the Republicans.... I'm not seeing where they embody the spirit of 'compromise'.
ReplyDeleteGrover a devil? Not sure about that, but if you google 'Ayatollah
ReplyDeleteNorquist', you'll find 2.26 million
refs....
Like it or not BB he represents true conservatism. Saty Obama wants the Republicans to compromise but on his terms.
ReplyDeleteSo you'd prefer if the 'compromise' is Obama caving to whatever the Republicans want?
ReplyDeleteYou're misunderstanding as usual. There is nothing wrong with compromise, it's politically important but you can't say as Obama is doing that the Republicans need to compromise but on his terms and on his terms mean they have to agree to raise rates on the rich. Compromise needs to be pure, if they come around on this fine but you can't dictate and load the terms of the debate from the getgo. Obama has an arrogant personality, divisive and polarizing and humility isn't part of his makeup. He's not an effective leader and hasn't got the gravitas for the office and I believe History will ultimately render a negative verdict.
ReplyDeletePut it another way and so let's deconstruct. Obama is saying Republicans should compromise, so far so good. He then goes on to say Republicans need to compromise and here's how they're going to do that. I mean what is this The Godfather?
ReplyDeleteThe temporarily extended tax cuts for all will automatically expire.
ReplyDeleteThe GOP position, as far as I can tell, is that 'OK, fine: we cannot accept letting them not expire on top income folks, so screw y'all'. The Dem position is 'we don't think cutting social security to
keep top rates low is fair..so screw y'all. Cliff/entrenched.
Reminds of Longfellow's Civil War
poem 'I Heard The Bells On Christmas Day..in particular the
stanzas-
"It was as if an earthquake rent
The hearth-stones of a continent,
And made forlorn
The households born
Of peace on earth, good-will to men!
And in despair I bowed my head;
"There is no peace on earth," I said;
"For hate is strong,
And mocks the song
Of peace on earth, good-will to men!"
like F. Gump, that's all I gotta say 'bout that.