Monday, August 19, 2013
Chris Christie, gay politics and 016
I've heard of gay conversion therapy and feel folks should be legally able to freely choose it as their therapy of choice. In NJ Gov. Chris Christie just signed a law banning the practice and the focus seemed to be parents choosing it for their children. By my math Christie doesn't go very far in the Republican primaries in 016. We already know he's not appealing to the more socially conservative base but he's also gonna turn off the more libertarian element in the party who'll see his actions as increasing the power of the State to direct parents re the moral and social upbringing of their children. As usual Saty and BB will completely miss the point on this one and my smartphone should be burning up later. Oh btw I had to abort Publius last night.
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Good! Christie is the one GOP candidate that would seriously challenge the dems.
ReplyDeleteHe's trying to lube up the Log Cabin Republicans first.
DeleteI've already given my views on Christie, and I don't see any problem with him banning this quack crap that's resulted in people committing suicide (and in South Africa, being murdered), being traumatized and totally not being non-gay-converted.
ReplyDeleteFirst off I don't understand gay conversion therapy. What do they do have Salma Hayek sit on the guy's face?
ReplyDeleteThe American Psychiatric Association considers gay conversion therapy a pseudoscience. My guess, based on the the few figures available, would be 3% success, 80% failure and 17% back into the
ReplyDeletecloset. I guess though, from an individual freedom standpoint, the
next thing you know they would ban crystal ball seers, personal
astrologists and pet cat group therapy.
& that's my whole point.
DeleteOhMyGosh, just saw on the news that Christie mention the verboten C word: compromise. He will
ReplyDeletebe banned from the party and sent to Compromise
Conversion Therapy!
Christie is a big gov't Republican, just look at all those red-light cams in NJ.
ReplyDeleteI had to abort Publius last night. ??
ReplyDelete1. What is a Publius?
2. Thought you were against abortion.
Publius was a troll like Ham Bone which I wouldn't mind but it's just a drive-by. Nothing to contribute, snarky comment and probably a liberal.
DeleteGay conversion therapy -- even if there's an offchance it might work, that small percentage of success your bunghole will thank you.
ReplyDeleteSure. It will thank you for avoiding proctologies and colonoscopies too.
ReplyDeleteHad my first prostate exam a few years back, no biggie.
DeleteRE Christie's actions sometimes even in a noble cause the greater harm is done to individual freedom.
ReplyDeleteWhen's a good time to check the smartphone with you guys?
ReplyDeleteAt least he chases big macs, unlike that creepy San Diego mayor...
ReplyDelete#156 why I quit the GOP after Eisenhower-
ReplyDelete*&%@#* click here
Interesting link to nowhere in particular, huh?
ReplyDeleteHow about *&%@#* NRA ?
Ah yes Mother Jones.
ReplyDeleteIn many places a teen girl can get a hassle-free abortion, a teen male chooses gay conversion therapy and there's a problem. I'm wondering why Christie chose such an issue. If it's such a pressing burning issue why have only two states banned it? CA and now NJ. My guess is for most folks it's an oddball topic but that's it, a quirky blip on the cultural radar screen but a bannable offense? I realize the issue being played mostly relates to minors but basically you go through it and let's say midway you don't like it and pull out...alot like Scientology but an Issue?
ReplyDeleteI'd agree..sort of a quirky blip. But, must be SOME reason, perhaps a conspiracy theory?
ReplyDeletePerhaps the Sci-Fis are behind it.
ReplyDeleteIs Chris Christie looking thinner these days? ...and are burger sales down in Jersey?
ReplyDeleteHe still looks rather large for a guy w/a lapband. What's it gonna take?
DeletePersonally he should be more concerned about fat conversion therapy.
ReplyDelete...or nuclear diet pills.
ReplyDeleteHis Rand Paul feud is accomplishing what exactly? He comes across as a bully and to my mind he has a touch of a male Judge Judy.
ReplyDeleteIf Rand Paul comes around here, I'd feud with him too.
ReplyDeleteBut Christie always comes across as having anger-management issues.
DeleteTypical Yankee.
DeleteIt strikes me that maybe is is just a straight talker?
ReplyDeleteMaybe his heft makes him look angrier. I'm not into his 'tude as much as Saty is.
ReplyDeleteChristie seems to be the sole GOP dude that Jerseyites like?
ReplyDeleteDunno why exactly since he was the one who pushed hard for all those red-light cams. Cognitive dissonance?
DeleteSo I was just reading about all this and the ban on the anti gay therapy is just for minors. Now all arguments against it should cease. If you're grown up and you yourself would like to 'therapy' away your gay you are more than welcome to. If you're fifteen and your religious maniac parents want to send you to some person to 'therapy' away your gay? no. There's been too much documented abuse, too much documented torture and yeah, there have been suicides and actually murders connected with this anti-gay 'therapy' that isn't even recognized by the APA and so forth.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, there you have it, good call for Christie, if you're grown you may allow people to torture you in the name of getting rid of your gay, but if you're a minor, your parents have to wait until you're 21 and old enough to make your own decisions.
Not really that simple. What if it's a totally free autonomous decision on the teen's part? After all we do have teen abortions, teen birth control, teen soldiers...
ReplyDelete..armed teen thugs.
ReplyDeleteBB have you noticed how many of these teen thugs are on Facebook and Twitter?
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't do facebook/twitter. NSA, you know. Are there really teen thugs on those? I thought they were out lurking.
ReplyDeleteThey're all technoed up BB and often give online clues and loud boasts about what they're gonna do. A goldmine for law enforcement 'cept they usually come across this stuff after the atrocity has been committed.
ReplyDelete& Saty I'm really not totally disagreeing with you here about the product in question just that it's more complex than the gay lobby is making it out to be. There's family dynamics often at work and I'm sure there's often parental pressure on the minor to get with the program but let's just posit the minor has discussed it with all relevant parties, the pros and cons, no parental or societal pressures either way and just wants to do it or try it...teen girls can get an abortion, Plan B, teen boys of a certain age can even give their lives for their country and all of a sudden they're minors who don't have the mental capacity for consideration of gay conversion therapy. Look I think it's a foolish option but last I looked that's a part of human freedom too. Bad call by Christie.
ReplyDeleteWeiner's latest sexting partner Sydney Leathers may be freakier than he is. She cashed in on her 15 min. by making a porno at the same time HIV has temporarily shut down the entire LA-based industry. It's far safer to sext.
ReplyDeleteThere's an LA-based industry?
ReplyDeleteI thought that was outsourced to the far east with everything else.
Apparently a large part of porn is still made in the good old US of A. Hard to feel patriotic about this though.
DeleteJust another big biz .
ReplyDeleteMust be all those porno popups you can't seem to get rid of.
ReplyDeleteBeen wondering though can heteros be converted to gay?
ReplyDeleteNo. There is no 'conversion' from one to another. Either you is or you isn't. Now, you might decide one day to take a walk on the wild side and have you a Lost Weekend, but a weekend of freakishness does not a conversion make.
ReplyDeleteAnd with that in mind, why would anyone "choose" a lifestyle that gets them bullied, beat up, discriminated against, cast into the pit of hell and sometimes murdered? I mean, call me a silly girl, but I'd no sooner "choose" to walk into the middle of i-85 than I would a lifestyle that gets me that kind of treatment.
But when a gay celeb or sports star comes out oh the tweets of support!
ReplyDeleteSure, and nothing wrong with that, because, just like the first black celebrities and sports stars, someone has to break some barriers.
ReplyDeleteBut for the ordinary person the experience is so much different. Having your entire family kicked out of your church because they support you, getting beaten up in school, having friends (and family) abandon you, job discrimination, not being allowed to visit your loved ones in the hospital, family members trying to pray away your gay or send you to one of those gay-no-more clinics... I mean, why on earth would someone 'choose' these things for themselves? That makes no sense. It's not a choice. Same thing with transgender folk. Why on earth would someone choose something like that? These people are serious, their situation is so pressing and so core-shattering that they feel they have to take these drastic steps that bring them a world of social (and legal) issues. Who voluntarily signs up for that kind of martyrdom? Cmon. Simple logic here.
I believe in most places now job discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal. Not sure what you mean when you say you can't visit loved ones in the hospital, I mean unless you're wearing some large name badge with GAY on it who's really gonna know and would they literally kick you out anyway? Transgender's a whole other ballgame:)
ReplyDeleteNothing quite turns on a liberal like a sexual topic.
ReplyDeleteJust because something's illegal don't mean it doesn't happen. And have you missed all the articles about people who have had loved ones in hospitals and not been able to visit them? Oh yes, it does happen. Though I can say honestly it wouldn't happen on my watch. But lawsuits have been brought.. generally I think the way this goes down is that the person's family objects to the gay partner and complains or whatever, and the patient seemingly has no input on the matter. This of course gets worse if the patient is in real serious condition, vented or otherwise unable to speak for themselves. It's actually a big deal and it happens a lot, which is why it was part of some legislation to ensure that gay partners get to visit their spouse etc in the hospital.
ReplyDeleteSo what does a message go over the hospital PA: "Security - gay guy on the 4th floor in Room 412!"
ReplyDeleteCode Rainbow?
ReplyDelete-heh-
ReplyDeleteGay dramaturgy. Why not have a gay hospital?
ReplyDeleteSure, we can go back to the days when New Hanover Memorial was for white folks and 'the other' hospital was for 'other' folks.
ReplyDelete..and Brigham and Women's up in Boston has to be for Mormons and
ReplyDeleteladies.
So what were saying again Saty that gay folk can't visit people in hospitals?
ReplyDeleteYou can google 'gay denied hospital visit' and come up with all sorts of things but here is just one for you, from April 2013:
ReplyDeleteThe family of a gay Missouri man who was denied hospital visitation rights when trying to see his sick partner and subsequently arrested has set up a legal defense fund.
Roger Gorley was arrested after he refused to leave the bedside of his partner, Allen Mansell, at Research Medical Center in Kansas City, Mo., on April 9. Gorley's daughter, Amanda Brown, claims the Kansas City police mistreated her father and that the hospital is guilty of discrimination. Research Medical Center has denied discriminating based on sexual orientation.
I'm not going to post the five million articles I came up with, you can read them for yourself, but this is a big enough problem that Obama introduced legislation to prevent hospitals from doing this to people.
I'm here to tell you I would lose my job before I'd let that shit happen on my watch.
The narrative of the gay rights soap opera continues.
ReplyDeleteI used to deliver flowers to flower shops, fair amount of gay men working in them. In fact I worked with one in the Bronx. No unions, no gay job discrimination. Dunno maybe the free market has determined they're good florists.
ReplyDeleteProbably-notice a lot of them are in theatre and dance, not that many on the oil rigs or down in the coal mines. But then, you wouldn't find Me in theatre, dance, oil rigs or coal mines..we each have to find our niche.
ReplyDeleteSaty acts like there's anti-gay bouncers in the hospital lobby right as you walk in.
ReplyDeleteWasn't my news story, wasn't something that I could ever conceive happening, but there it is. And apparently it happens often enough that they set up legislation to prevent it happening. Don't believe me.... do your own research and read up on it.
ReplyDeleteIsn't the average gay man kind of affluent? Probably has a higher net median income than me. Anti-gay job animus?
ReplyDeleteThough it might sound it I'm not completely disagreeing with Saty here but I break it down differently. First off practically anybody can visit someone they know in the hospital, say you're best friend just had a car accident. Now logistically speaking you can't have a group of 20 or 30 folk all visiting a patient at once so there has to be some type of system. I would posit that even in a hospital with a supposed anti-gay policy the gay man can visit his partner at least some of the time, it's not like they're completely barred from the grounds so the issue really has to do with making the upper-tier visitor status level like spouse or sister or son or daughter.
ReplyDeleteIf you're a spouse you should be treated like one. Why is it different just because you're a gay spouse? And no, depending on where you are and what's wrong with you, not everyone can barrel on in and visit you. Also, if your family doesn't approve of your gay spouse, they can complain and the gay spouse has no recourse. Why do you make this stuff difficult?
ReplyDeleteSo what's up with Cory Booker?
ReplyDeleteIMO, he is playing the Saddam game. "I'm not saying I do or do not have WMD".
ReplyDeleteHe better get a date with Beyoncé or Miley...
Does he have a wide stance?
DeleteEveryone thinks Ed Koch was gay. I actually think he had no sexuality just one of them asexual workaholics.
ReplyDelete"How'mi doin?"
ReplyDeleteGetting back to the hospitals do they have their anti-gay policies posted in black and white?
ReplyDeleteThis is devolving rapidly into nonsense and I'm not in the mood.
ReplyDelete...somewheres in the by-laws? or maybe it's just an oral policy:)
ReplyDeleteDon't know about various hospital policies, but if I were on staff,
ReplyDeleteI'd rather work with gay with a broken arm than one of those 750
lb characters that needs heavy construction equipment for traction, or some coughing unfortunate with Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever.
I always loved working in infectious disease. The whole key with that population is that you must be genuinely fearless. If you're not, it impacts your care delivery, people can sense you're afraid of them/afraid of getting what they have. You have to be absolutely one hundred percent fearless. I always had this notion that I had some kind of divine protection. 18 years later I've worked with everything short of Ebola and come up with a lotta nothing. There's something to the power of positive thinking.
ReplyDeleteI've heard tales that hospitals can be source of all sorts of germs. I imagine constant exposure tends to strengthen the immune system. (I also had a nurse apply for a lab job in explosives because some guy with AIDs bled all over her). I'm thinking that
ReplyDeletethe chances of contracting MRSA are better in the hospital than
out drinking creek water?
MRSA is so endemic now in the US that when Americans are treated at Canadian hospitals they assume you're positive. I would bet my entire next paycheck that I and every healthcare worker I know is MRSA positive. The whole thing with it is that it's opportunistic. It needs you to be down enough to get it. You always hear about people picking it up in gyms and stuff and you'd assume those folks are in healthy shape but when you think about bare feet in a locker room there are plenty of opportunities, broken skin you don't even know about. But there's a reason, just like VRE and C dif that you see these things in hospital patients, postsurgical patients, patients that have been on tons of antibiotics.
ReplyDeleteReally we've created all these resistant organisms... it's a classic case of natural selection/evolution at work. Several generations of 'penicillin' as the wonder drug way overused for everything (not that you can blame the doctors, for so long it was all they had) that these things just developed resistance. It will continue and medicine is just going to have to keep up with it.
I do think that working in a dirty environment is a good way to strengthen your immune system. This is also why nursery schools/daycares are a great place for little kids; they get exposed to all kinds of crap. When I started working at the place I'm at now there was a round of mycoplasma pneumonia going on and I got that like instantly, but outbreaks since then haven't hit me. I get bronchitis a couple times a year, generally sequelae of allergies, but other than that as far as infectious stuff goes I'm pretty healthy.
A few years back when I worked at Britthaven I seemed to get sick an awful lot; first sinuses, then pneumonia, back and forth over and over and we couldn't cure it. It was getting kind of scary... then one day they came in to replace the wallpaper in my office and when they peeled it back it was totally black with mold underneath. I quit the job almost instantly after that, my lungs cleared up and I didn't get another respiratory infection of any kind for five years.
Wondering in a Catholic cemetery can two gay spouses be buried next to each other by the babbling brook?
ReplyDeleteI was told by the good priest of St James (in Carmel) that because I was married Outside The Church (by a Methodist minister to my nonpracticing Methodist-raised husband-who is now btw an 'unofficial' HK) that I was fornicating, living in sin and that any children we had would be illegitimate. He hastened to console me with the fact that, should we get divorced and I find another husband, I would be welcome to be married in the Church since as far as they were concerned I had never been married at all. Take a few minutes to contemplate all the hypocrisy in that whole thing.
ReplyDeleteThus I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.
So much for the ecumenical spirit. I know that church, passed it many times in my country travels and went to Mass there once. I just love the quaint Reed Memorial Library there on the corner of 52 & 6.
ReplyDeleteSo gays who have gone before us, discriminated in life discriminated in death.
ReplyDeleteSo, hierarchical theologically speaking, where do those of gay
ReplyDeletepersuasion end up in the afterlife? (aside from non-hallowed ground)
At the end of that long and narrow tunnel of pure white light they suddenly find themselves punching the timeclock at McDonald's and working below the minimum.
ReplyDeleteI was about to give you a detailed and theologically accurate (from our perspective) answer when it occurred to me that you might have been being rhetorical at the time.
ReplyDeleteNot rhetorical; it seems every subgroup has their heaven..virgins for the Muslims, limbo for babies (do they get bottles and diaper
ReplyDeletechanges there in the clouds?), giant beer steins for dead Viking warriors and even layers of hell, according to Dante. Then, we cannot help but note that there seems no particular goodies in the afterlife for women..like, I dunno, 70 Chippendales dancing or whatever. So, surely those experts on the afterlife have specifics
for the gay, right?
There's gotta at least be a jelly fist in there somewhere...and Julie Andrews.
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