Wednesday, February 05, 2020

The strange state of our union

President Trump's 2020 State of the Union Address --  I thought it in very poor taste and low rent for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to make a show of tearing up Trump's speech at the end but also thought it unjustified that Trump bestowed the Congressional Medal of Freedom on conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh.  I also find NBC's Chuck Todd to be the most openly biased political journalist/analyst on TV today and don't know why they have him.  Getting back to Nancy Pelosi she looked a little irregular during the entire speech with a pained and disconcerted expression throughout and stood up only a few times for the more obvious consensus points Trump made.  Mr. Limbaugh has cancer and the ribbon around his neck put Dems in an awkward position.  I mean how do you exactly stand and clap for a guy who called liberals evil and a dark force on literally every show of his down through the years?

While there was obviously a lot jam-packed into this approximately an hour and a half long speech, the usual optimistic items elaborated by the president on the state of the union these are the two things that interested me and gave the whole night an unusual quality.

On the pro-forma impeachment acquittal in the Senate your thoughts?  Some say it will become easier to impeach presidents now and that this may become more commonplace in the future.  Then there's the very lonely Republican Senator from Utah Mr. Mitt Romney.

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  1. Rush was hard on my blood pressure. The only other time it got that high was back in high school. (pay attention, this might be long). After supper I called Dick, the kid up the street to see if he wanted to canoe the Chippewa back down to town from the dam 14 miles upstream. It was a hot summer night and seemed like a fun thing. But heavy rains to the north had the 'Big Chip' at flood stage, so we zipped along at about 15 miles an hour in the old Tippecanoe, the underwater trees along the banks
    roaring as the water shot by. Then it turned dark as we entered
    the Big Eddy curve. Couldn't see anything but a few stars up above and the constant sound of the trees on the bank getting ripped up. As we were shooting on down the middle, we hear an awful roar in the distance. "You hear that, Dick?" "Yeah, what
    the heck is that?" We racked our addled high school brains and
    finally remembered that there was an underground pipeline being laid across the river. We spotted it up ahead in the dark..big
    angle iron spikes, cables every where, a crane on a barge bouncing in the waves..and the entire black river roaring over some sort of giant ditch. "No way to get to the bank, Dick".
    "lets aim for that main chute between the cables and those two
    upright angle irons" I estimate by blood pressure at about 750/500 as we catapulted over and straight down. The noise was
    terrific, visibility nil and I figured they might find our bodies way down stream, maybe Praire Du Chein or even St. Louis.
    The giant whirlpool hydrodynamics shot us straight up shortly.
    "Hey Dick, where are you?" "Hanging on to the #&%% front of the canoe. "Yeah, well I'm hanging onto the back. The river was still flowing along at 15 miles an hour, there were cliffs on each side, my billfold, pipe, two moccasins and one sock were
    AWOL, but my blood pressure was coming back down. "Dick, we gotta kick this thing over to the right bank, maybe grab a tree or something." "OK" It took a half hour of hard swimming pushing the canoe and the repetitious Dick "I can't make it, I'm
    too tired..we're goners" My blood pressure returned to normal when Dick shouted "Hey I got my foot on a rock next to this tree!" It was midnight. We hauled the canoe halfway up the cliff, tied it to a tree, scaled the cliff and set off through the woods, me on one bare foot and one sock foot. Highway 27 was supposed to be off that way and we tried to steer west. Finally we saw a light in the distance, It turned out to be a farm yard complete with barn, house and four really mean dogs.
    Sort of a typical Midwest day I guess. My next comment will tell
    what happened when while driving across Montana the only radio I
    could get was Rush Limbaugh...

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    1. There was a time I was really into Rush but then I drifted away and never came back. Michael Savage mixes up the topics more. In between calling liberals evil he'll talk about vitamins.

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  2. I've driven across Montana about 50 times, all sorts of weather.
    But it is still 554 miles, and while 4th of July Summit, Lookout
    and Bozeman Passes over on the west side are interesting, much is is flat, dry, rolling, treeles. ..and lonely when you drive solo. Your company is the car radio. Even then reception comes and goes- mostly country western and if you are lucky a bit of PBS around the bigger towns. One time I was eastbound, puffing my pipe and spinning the radio dial. All I could get was Rush Limbaugh. The barren cliffs along the Yellowstone river were
    interminable, traffic nil and Montana had no speed limit. The more Rush blabbered the madder I got. More dial spinning and I found a local station out of Baker (wherever in the heck that was) it was country music and ranch supply ads, but a 100% improvement. Then there was the teaser, "next hour we will have
    the admissions and releases from the Baker hospital". Now THAT
    kept me listening. I turned it up as the hour approached and a
    nice young lady (who was probably wearing cowboy boots) piped up, "Welcome to the Baker Hospital Report..right after this add
    for Rocky Canyon Veterinarian Service" Much more exciting that
    that lame Limbaugh! "And now here is the hospital report. "There were no admissions and no releases this week"
    WhatTheCrap? "Now here is Curly Stone doing 'My Ex Girlfriend
    Shot My best Cow Dog' and be sure and stay tuned for the hospital wrap up". The wrap up was real short and I have always
    blamed Rush. A few years back my son was working construction and came home one day, "I quit!" I was a bit surprised, "How come?" The carpenters have Rush Limbaugh on all day and I just
    couldn't stand it anymore" They say the acorn falls near the tree, I guess. But IMO, Limbaugh was the start of phenom of half the people love you and half the people hate you. I'm still a bit ambivalent, not about Rush..but about Montana :)

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    1. Hmmm that's interesting. Over here we say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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  3. Was wondering if you got your Trump pardon on those doggone
    Yonkers TraffiCam tickets yet?

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    1. Hey Mike will fix it. Mike Bloomberg that is.

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  4. Ever notice there is a difference between legal process and what is actually right or wrong? OJ Trial, those cases where DNA clears some guy been in prison for 30 years. Suppose Ted Bundy (infinitesimally remote) got pardoned: would those 60-100
    victims come back to life? Or Rommel-what did he do to get on the wrong side of der Stinker? Elsewhere Sharia law, lop off a hand for grabbing a donut. Pontius Pilate washing his hands of the matter. Out here, a guy caught his buddy in bed with his wife, chased him down to the river, put 6 bullets in him and got charged with disturbing the peace. I suspect you nailed it Z-Man, I'm starting to get stranded in 'civilization'. Can you be in limbo while you are still alive?

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    1. I'm not getting the serial killer thing. Most people who kill do so for revenge, jealousy, to get the life insurance money etc.etc. and the victims are carefully selected. Serial killers for the most part kill for the sport of it. Ted Bundy started a new breed although it really didn't start with him. As a criminologist this would perplex me to no end.

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  5. Odd, how things on the internet 'go viral'. Real viruses do that too, coronavirus popping up around the world. We note:
    “With the coronavirus killing thousands and threatening to tank the global economy, I feel like more people should be talking about the fact that Trump fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn't replace them”
    “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” “The Trump administration has also spent the past several years dismantling the very government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.”
    We note that all the savings spent on the Great Wall. Big deal for Hannity and his sheep. But can't stop viruses nor the coming recession. Sorry, I'm grumpy today....

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    1. I never heard of Corona until now. Over here in the Empire State single use plastic bags are a big deal.

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  6. There are several corona viruses, among which are those that cause the common cold. The main problem is that they are infectious in crowded places. The virus itself is fairly fragile
    in common outdoor conditions. That's why they don't spread among
    Sasquatches. The problem with plastic garbage is that it lasts forever, ends up in the oceans and disrupts marine ecology.
    Bloomberg: what's up with him?

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    1. I don't think the single use plastic bag bans are well thought out. I think the impact won't be as huge as environmentalists would like to believe. When you buy a loaf of bread guess what it's in plastic. Perdue drumsticks wrapped in plastic, bag of carrots etc. More trees have to be cut down to make the paper bags. Damn spell check. Meant to say corona and it posted as Corona.

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    2. Bloomberg feels he should be president and Judge Judy endorsed him. That's all you need to know.

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  7. I agree that plastic bags impact is on the low end of the polymer problem: they decompose in about 20 years, while bottles
    take 450 and fishing line 600 years (If Isaac Walton had used
    plastic line instead of cotton, it would still be around for
    another 200 years). We also note that there is some research being done on microbes that will break down artificial polymers. Cutting down trees for paper is a renewable source:
    you don't see them fracking for paper. Its like cleaning up a lake, ya get tires, old rusty cars and maybe a concrete Jimmy
    Hoffa...

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    1. My issue with paper bags is when it's raining. Say you get home and have to lay your grocery bags down on the wet pavement before closing up your car or you're simply walking with them and it's heavily raining. Collapse, rips and just not as strong as plastic.

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  8. Plastic bags are typically 1 micron (0.001") thick, so they disintegrate faster than the thicker plastic objects. The 'saran' wrap stuff is about a half micron, which is probably
    why it sticks to me when I try to put a piece in the garbage.
    "C"orona is a cigar, "c"orona is a virus. Now, don't get me
    going on Tobacco virus ...

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    1. I think with liberalism in general they have a moral righteousness about themselves that's not open to question. He'll raise the minimum to 50 bucks/hour people gotta live ya know. With the plastic bags I don't think they even considered all the issues and angles. When these little inconveniences come up later they're like bite the bullet it's for the Greater Good and the smart ones always have an answer to any possible objection. Captain Google or they just know lots of random information and belong on Jeopardy and you see them on forums a lot. Maybe they just happen to know the environmental impact of Elizabethan collars back in the day. Ooops I'm starting to sound like Rush Limbaugh.

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  9. It used to be normal to dump industrial waste into rivers, almost a given right. For example, in college I wanted to do a
    phosphorus isotope study on freshwater algae, spirogyra. I took
    some flasks down through the brush and ran across a huge pipe leading from the tire factory. It was dripping all sorts of crap, so I moved upstream looking for untainted spirogyra.
    WHAT THE HELL YOU DOING? Two burly security guards from US Rubber collared me. They accused me of sampling their crap and threatened to break my flasks. We compromised, I showed them where, what and how I was sampling and explained the phosphorus
    biophysiology I was experimenting with. They explained that some
    sinister environmental groups had been hanging around. In the day, companies felt insecure: As newly marrieds, we drove west
    along the Oregon Trail taking photos and reading up on stuff,
    In the south foothills of Wyoming's Wind River Range, we came upon an iron mine, hidden in the pine forest. it was really neat, with a private rail line leading some 120 miles down to
    Rock Springs, the ore going to the big smelter in Ogden, Utah.
    The setup was perfect for some model railroad stuff I was working on, so we drove up to the mine HQ. I started snapping
    photos, especially the railroad spur operation, and like the tire plant, I was accosted by two burly (obviously cousins) security guys. US Steel would break my camera and slash my tires
    for trespassing. As usual, I talked my way out of trouble.
    IMO, the environmental movement got its start in those days:
    the Cayahoga River CAUGHT FIRE, you couldn't fish in the upper Midwest because the few living trout and bass were full of mercury and people were used to hauling their trash out to the woods. IMO, the problem is that you can do that when you are
    a little tribe, but there are 331,000,000 of us now. I agree,
    you are right in that nature lovers have a different view of
    the planet and our responsibility for it..and stick our noses
    into stuff. Look at it as the converse of Evangelicals smoked
    about other people using birth control. Ooops, I'm starting to
    sound like Carl Sagan. :)

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    1. I just don't see a plastic bag ban as saving the planet. If they were really serious about this they'd also outlaw Hefty garbage bags and pet poop bags.

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  10. What's up with these old presidential candidates?

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    1. Old? Heck, they're just kids compared to me....

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    2. Obama was at least relatively young and looked like an underwear model. Biden and Sanders should just go away and hit the links.

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    3. Like, oh...Mara Laga?

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  11. These people hitting Costco wiping everything out because of coronavirus what exactly is the plan here?

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  12. P.A,N.I.C. Peoples Abnormal Needs Include Costco?

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  13. People buying up tons of masks, soap, sanitizer kind of predictable. But those smart Wall Street types are selling off
    stocks like they were spoiled vegetables. BTW, has the Dow plunge affected your bitcoin hoard?

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    1. I ate at a Popeye's yesterday in a rest area off the NY Thruway. Hardly anybody in there. Small businesses hit hard and don't even think about Chinese takeout. I hope they leave me some toilet paper.

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  14. How did they rule out bioterrorism so quickly?

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    1. IMO bioterrorists, if not working for some huge military,
      wouldn't have the tech resources. I read that the original
      Chinese cases were traced to some animal at a street market (the doctor who reported the symptoms was disciplined by the Chinese state for reporting it to people and not the Chinese state-he died of Covid-19
      shortly thereafter). The thing about virus is that it is
      not life: it is a simple RNA complex with a few other molecules attached. The common cold is caused by over 200 types, mostly rhinovirus (50%) and coronavirus (15%) some
      flu virus and others. These things mutate real fast because they are so simple and because when you get infected, one virus can produce several million copies
      (in about a day). Biological warfare-wise, the idea is not to flood the entire world with fast-mutating uncontrolled disease: biological weapons are controlled by
      aerosolizing a specific microbe, which logically will not
      affect the people using it, eg, they have been vaccinated,
      etc. but their specific target has not. Senator Cotton has
      observed that it may have been bioterrorism, but he is rather a nutcase. Dunno. Probably best to avoid large crowds in enclosed places. Another odd thing about Covid-19- little kids seem immune, or at least have minimal symptoms.

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    2. Another thing as has been reported in the news is many infected people have mild or no symptoms so what I'm about to say is an oversimplification but it's like it's a dread disease but not a dread disease. Maybe not much of a candidate for bioterrorism.

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    3. Kind of interesting- it may turn out to be a flash in the pan, or a serious pandemic. With modern medicine, I doubt
      we will see the ravages of bubonic (black death plague that killed up to half the people in the late middle ages
      or the 'Spanish' flu of the early 1900s that killed 30,000
      (including my wife's grandmother's uncle). I note that the
      elder care in Seattle has had 17 deaths, numerous sick individuals, including staff..and now three weeks later they are providing test kits. My middle daughter is a virus expert, PhD U Iowa, now tenured professor of immunology, virology and biochemistry in the Midwest, and
      I have been pestering her for a diagnostics kit. She says, no, I would probably start a clinic in the basement...

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  15. The Idaho legislature (80% GOP, a fencepost with (R) after it would beat St. Peter with a (D) after it) is drooling at the prospect of repealing Roe v Wade: death penalty for doctors and
    teenage girls getting an abortion. The peculiar thing is that they are also very much in favor of firearms, the more the merrier, in every home..also they protect a large sect in the south of the state that for religious reasons deny medical care for their children. So, they die at a prodigious rate from things like acute appendicitis, untreated diabetes, tonsillitis,
    broken legs etc. (while they reverently pray) Z-Man, can you
    explain these Trump worshipers to me? -please-

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    1. Is that true the death penalty? You know Roe is antiquated at this point what with viability changing and all. Kind of like living in a time time. Libs are fiercely pro-choice on feticide but not much else (single use plastic bags, styrofoam cups, maybe some straws etc.).

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    2. Just to kind of put it into perspective Roe was decided in the "little Willy won't go home" era a kind of primitive jurisprudence by today's light. Maybe it's time to leave the time warp?

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    3. Not sure what 'primitive jurisprudence' is, but they sure have appointed a lot of Scalia type judges in the last three years. A lot of the pro/anti on just about every social/tech issue revolves around our proclivity to want to run other people's lives; when they ignore our position
      we pass laws. What do you think of open season on game in
      Yellowstone Park? Hardly popular, but being pushed hard by
      some. Then as far as that goes, if something is approved by 80%, does that make it right?
      Idaho is extremely conservative (they'd like to secede)
      and I'm not sure why. Our religion is 22% 'nothing', 21%
      Evangelical, 19% Mormon, 16% mainline Protestant and 10%
      Catholic and aside from Boise, we a rural hicks. There is
      a legislator 100 miles to the north whose agenda is to convert or execute all non-Christian males..and he keeps getting re-elected (he REALLY wants to secede). Are the RW Evangelicals using Trump -or- is Trump using the RW Evangelicals? What's next, Roe v Plastic?

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    4. Your response was expected. Sometimes I think you're making things up (talking smack as they say in the ghetto). A legislator who wants to convert or execute non-Christian males? Provide a link and I'll accept. I'm gonna break this one down into two comments but you have to get past thinking anyone who thinks Roe is bad law is some type of Neanderthal. "Primitive jurisprudence" by which I mean Roe is a type of legal artifact from back in the day that hasn't at all kept up with medical advances in neonatology and fetology that has changed the window of fetal viability. Midterm abortions are off-putting to a lot of people not just the pro-life types.

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    5. You've brought this up before that there are legislators in the country pushing anti-abortion laws that would basically give the death penalty to abortionists and presumably some women. OK I'm behind the curve on this and have drifted away from the whole abortion issue in recent years because folks minds are basically made up on the issue although you do bring it up from time to time in a kind of agitating liberal way. So back in the day when I was more involved in the issue and researched it more the traditional and official pro-life position has always overwhelmingly been no punishment for the woman involved. Now I'm murky on the issue of the punishment for the doctor part but it's my understanding some pro-lifers do support jail time whereas others merely advocate a revocation of their medical license but I was never 100% clear on a consensus. HOWEVER the vast vast vast majority of pro-lifers in the movement past and present would never in a million years advocate anything like the death penalty for any party involved and never have advocated such. I'm assuming you've done your homework and can provide links and as I've said I've been away from the issue for years now but such being the case I would have to say something weird is going on.

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  16. Talking smack? "Yo Momma, Bro" is the extent of my expertise in that vernacular. Link-wise we have:
    "A handful of anti-abortion advocates have begun increasing their call for stricter penalties for women and providers.
    Last year, Abolish Abortion Idaho launched a ballot initiative seeking to charge both abortion providers and women with first-degree murder – but it is unclear if the group will have enough signatures to make it on the ballot in November. Meanwhile, Republican state Sen. Dan Foreman attempted to introduce legislation that would also classify abortion as first-degree murder for mothers and doctors, but the proposal never received a hearing." RE
    Regarding the legislator-
    "In October 2018, Shea acknowledged that he had distributed a four page manifesto which called for the killing of non-Christian males if a war were to occur and they do not agree to follow fundamentalist biblical law" RE2
    I had a few other paragraphs on my viewpoints, like adoptions,
    orphanages and the data that shows birth control lowers abortions, but you know all that. We Americans sure like to argue: betcha dem bros in da Novid19 ward be rappin da man-
    is that kind of smacky?

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    1. Well this is all new to me. As I told you the official pro-life position as regards penalties for procuring and facilitating abortions has never approached the surreal draconian punishments you're informing us about now. New to me as I've been behind the curve but I will say this. Now I'm no legal scholar and I don't agree with Roe but it's still the law of the land and states can't just do what they're now trying to do with their experimental legislation. I'm a bit confused.

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    2. & bruh looks like the pro-life movement has maybe sprung out some weird kind of Ozark offshoots something Farmer Joe might support. Deliverance meets Pat Robertson. Dunno;)

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  17. What happens when you find yourself agreeing with a Trump tweet? To wit there are about 27,000 deaths from the regular flu/year and yet it's not a news story, the economy doesn't stop and nobody cares.

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    1. Absolutely true. Most people don't pay much attention to flu, but a lot of people, especially older or compromised,
      die from it. The contrast, if any, is that we can get flu
      vax, there are several types of flu viruses and it has been around a long time. So, with the new stuff with no
      history, no cure, no vax and not much in the diagnostic testing yet, has brought attempts to isolate..quarantines,
      travel restrictions, masks (of doubtful efficiency), fear
      of crowds, et. Apparently the effect of such behavior change is in consumer reaction, transportation and entertainment. Thus, the ever spooky stock market does its spooky thinkg. Ever notice that the stock cycle is to
      over value as it goes up, and the reverse as it goes down?
      It's early, we will have to see how it plays out. I guess we could survive flu, covid, and other microbes, walk down the street and get hit by a truck, such are the vagaries of life. Chefs: we were out a couple nights back
      at a place that always has good food. There was a new guy
      manning the kitchen and our meals were awful. I sort of thought there was some sort of standard procedures, so
      the fare was fairly consistent. Observations?

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    2. Hmmm...I've personally seen cooking styles that range from great to awful and each chef thinks they're right. Alot of stuff these days they can order premade like mashed potatoes and meatballs and the stuff ain't bad but like my Mom says she thinks many people are in the wrong job. Some cops shouldn't be cops, some docs shouldn't be docs, priests, teachers same and some people simply don't belong in the kitchen. Trade secret - a chef told me once calling in sick is frowned upon so many chefs come in sick. Good to know.

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    3. COVID-19: If as one theory goes this whole thing started with some people eating strange animals that's a local aberration so how did it spread worldwide so fast? Does travel explain the whole thing?

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    4. As far as can be found, they think it came from Chinese bats, which harbor a whole slew of corona viruses. It seems the Chinese there are fond of roast bat. It is not
      uncommon for animal viruses to jump to humans, HIV and SARs for example. The virus itself gets sneezed or blown
      out in a vapor droplet, zillions of which just dry up and die. But a few find a new home when they get on fingers, lips, eyes of the carrier. In a place like Wusan, which is
      close and crowded, it flourished. All it takes is one traveler or foreigner to become the next carrier, so yes,
      travel explains the spread. Remember back in the Black Plague days it took a year or two for the pandemic to spread, carried by sailors and traveling merchants and the
      ever present alternate carrier- the rat. I'm sort of thinking it amounts to a real sever common cold-most of the fatalities are those who, weakened contracted pneumonia. Sick chefs. OhMyGosh! Now THERE's a carrier.

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    5. Since the thing apparently originated in China we can't blame the illegals. The reason it can't be the illegals is that Trump would've mentioned it by now.

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    6. That's seriously screwed up though. Somebody decides to eat a roast bat for dinner in some far-off district in China and I could get the virus in Yonkers. Whatever happened to what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?

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    7. Vegas. Like most anything else that reminds me of a personal story. Five of us lieutenants at Dugway got bored with nerve gas and germs and salt flats and no bowling ally within 100 miles. So we took a week end off
      and drove down to Las Vegas. Visited all the casinos, got
      liquored up and went to one of those floor shows. Had a middle aged woman server who kept us from getting sober.
      She was fine, but one of the guys said "she could have been better, let's not leave any tip". We learned that was not kosher in the town that never sleeps. She had connections, went back in huff. Then the whole dang arena
      went black. Next a huge spotlight came on and focused on
      us surprised non-tippers. Then the server came on the loud speaker, "Ladies and Gentlemen, let me draw your attention to the five juvenile weenies sitting there..
      and proceeded to denigrate us until we were about five
      inches tall. We recovered, but the guy with the bright
      idea was persona non grata for the rest of his tour.
      ..kind of a public colonoscopy, ya know?

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  18. The math of the pandemic phenomena ia instructive. Say an infected person infects 2 other people, the next day they infect 2 others, the next day etc. By day 17, over a million
    will have it. If one is at a big game with 80,000 people packed in and a couple people are sneezing, the viruses can have a
    field day. Hence the quarantine concept. I'm thinking and hoping
    that like cold and flu, the covid 19 slows and disappears as the
    weather gets warmer. Meantime, stay clear of New Rochelle.

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    1. Thank God for global warming eh?

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    2. Some small sporadic areas in Westchester are now becoming mini ghost towns. Begs the question there are only so many things at home to keep yourself occupied and stimulated. Boredom drives me out.

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  19. The experts are predicting the peak between April and June. Interesting thing about epidemics: if you quarantine (like we
    seem to be doing), the number of cases is less overall, but the peak is a couple months later (and less by a factor of three).
    My professor daughter's university has gone to distance learning, videos etc. She is mostly worried about her labs..hard to do real student labwork over the net. No cases in
    Idaho yet, but Washington next door seems full of the stuff.
    We ancients are supposed to avoid the disease. Even Tom Hanks
    is in the hospital. I was planning on self quarantine and watching March Madness. Am I stuck with Gilligan's Island reruns?

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    1. Soon it might be a bad time to have a heart attack or get into a car accident.

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    2. It's always a bad time to have a heart attack or get into a car accident. But you make a good point. "All those having heart attacks go in line to the right. Wheel the
      car accident victims into the warehouse. the rest of you take two aspirins and call us in the morning." Here, it is
      hard enough to get an appointment already..unless its for
      a colonoscopy. Those guys with the camera tubes seem to be everywhere.

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    3. There's now a Stop The Panic movement with a hashtag. Kind of a backlash.

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    4. First case in Idaho: Boise woman returned from NYC conference and brought the pestilence with her. Luckily,
      Boise is five rivers, three mountain ranges and a 6 hour
      drive on primitive roads. All stores in town out of toilet paper. Toilet paper!? Are you affected by the NY
      Diocese cancelling masses there?

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    5. Wasn't aware of that but we're regressing as a civilization. Even long before this I often felt the bidet is the way to go.

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    6. Got my two 6-packs of Charmin today. They were out of Clorox, alcohol and bread but I'm not complaining.

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  20. It makes you aware of the complex layers and interfacing of modern civilization. Schools all closed here, grocery store
    low or out of everything except a long huge shelf of lima beans.
    Sports channels running old baseball games. Lou Gehrig etc.
    CBS Sunday morning had a re-run of their 40th anniversary and
    I'm waiting to see Hannity in a mask. Way too many robocalls still a thriving business. You out of cronuts yet?

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  21. Sort of incredulous that a complicated set of molecules (most scientists don't consider virus a living thing) that comes apart quickly in bleach or soapy water, can consternate the
    human race. When they drained the swamp and replaced it with a landfill, they eliminated the pandemic team and cut CDC funding
    (..I'm a business man, saves money, we can get them all back if
    we need them) they dropped us down below China, South Korea and other countries that had emergency plans and sufficient viral test kits. We great again, Z-Man. The toilet paper thing seems to bother people the most: one guy on the net recommending baby
    wipes followed by Kleenex. They there are the Georgia brothers
    who had purchased a semi load of hand sanitizer, quadrupled the
    price and were selling it on the interent..til they got shut down. You need any lima beans?

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    1. How's your bathroom tissue situation. Joke about it now, don't prioritize and you'll be digging a hole in your yard and blame it all on Trump.

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    2. What's the deal with toilet paper anyway? It's not like we are in a dysentery pandemic. Are people stuffing it inside their masks? Wiping their hands after they shake with someone? A large population of the world uses their
      right hand (that's why it is an insult to shake hands in their countries). Big corporation here makes toilet paper, tons daily. Dangerous stuff-a huge roll slid onto
      a girl intern. She was pretty well wiped out, so to speak.

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    3. You're serious? Brought it up at work and the first reaction is a kind of chuckle then the denial then it sinks in a couple hours later. Basically the problem is one of plumbing. Yeah you can use Kleenex, paper towels and whatever floats your boat but the main issue here is clogging your toilet smart guy. I have a newfound fondness for the Village of Hastings-on-the-Hudson Mr. Always Has An Answer. They seem to know how to supply their people with quality toilet paper and nobody's attacking you in the aisle. Let me know if you want some.

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    4. Yeah, I understand the clogged toilet thing. What I'm curious about is why the big buying surge. Covid makes you blow your nose and sneeze, it will not require more TP. Or is it just the 'hoard in case' mentality? Your guv
      there seems awful serious-you are probably right about staying out of car accidents and postponing your heart attack. Did you see that had to close cemeteries in Italy?
      Couldn't handle over 300 a day. BTW, what else does Mr. Always Has An Answer got?

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    5. With your random knowledge you'd probably do good on Jeopardy. I had to type this in my car because Dunkin' Donuts removed all their indoor seating for us free wifi people. No no I get your observation but at first blush I thought you were being cavalier about the need for Charmin.

      I think maybe the people of Hastings are more civilized and only buy what they need and don't hoard and think of their co-Americans so that's why I lucked out. The civil approach. If we're gonna die let's die with civility and decorum ya know?

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    6. It's not just the toilet paper. How much Clorox and rubbing alcohol do these people need? Are they gonna bleach the whole house?

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    7. Jeopardy: cumse, cumsa- I ace the history, geography and science categories, so-so on literature, classical music
      and biography: I am an absolute wipe out dumb klutz on current music, movies and TV series. I guess any of us would make a team expert in a group of 6 playing trivia.
      This whole response to the potential viral pandemic is most interesting: maybe we are part of a 300,000,000 member team, helping each other out, keeping our 'social
      distance', purchasing normally, avoiding crowds etc. As sort of a natural loner, my wife accused me of inventing
      social distance, ya know? Dunkin' Donuts-we don't have one...or I'd weigh 500 lbs. Do you think NYC hospitals
      will get over swamped? What are the millions of urchins
      let out of school going to be doing for the next few weeks? Spring Break..what will Ft. Lauderdale do? I got a
      daughter supposed to fly in in May. She doesn't know if she will get flight, get a refund, stay home, drive etc.
      Got a nephew that is a pilot for United. I think he may be catching up on his fishing hobby. Interesting times and
      getting more fascinating.

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    8. The invention of new words and phrases. "Shelter in place" - NYC Mayor De Blasio is using this phrase as a kind of euphemism for a citywide lockdown. The serious Governor of New York State disagrees.

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  22. Considering all kids out of school, many people furloughed or laid off, no gatherings and sports TV running re-runs of the 1935 Olympics, I'm thinking that the pent up boredom might lead to one of those zombie movie scripts. Teenage zombies roaming the streets, breaking in, beating us up and stealing our toilet paper? Then, we haven't a whisper of how the military, with their large groups of platoons and combat brigades are approaching the social distancing. Maybe a new paragraph in
    the MIL order of arms...Ten Hut! About Face! Run like Hell!
    Eating out-order from home-pick up your ribs at the back door
    of the café-move on. How adaptable do they think we are?

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    1. Fear of a lockdown - I don't think people understand the concept of a lockdown and this is driving the hoarding. You'd still be able to go out for basic needs. Food shopping, walking the dog, going to the vet or doctor if it's important and some people might even be able to work if they can't work from home. You can't just go out for the hell of it.

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    2. Looks like NYC and environs are the new Italy. Sorry to hear that. 20 some million in metro area, pop density 4400
      per square mile- perfect for virus to operate in. If there is any bright side, the Covid disease is a lot like
      the flu-some have no symptoms at all, some are mildly sick, some quite sick and some succumb. Hard to figure
      anything more than the self quarantine, social distance,
      hunker down and work like heck to perfect the vaccine.

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    3. I like when they say people should work from home like what is a cashier in a mall supposed to do. Also these people who wear latex or vinyl gloves all day I learned in a food safety class many years ago that hey YOUR GLOVES GET DIRTY TOO. Are these people changing their gloves frequently? Probably not.

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    4. Two local but large places still working here: the toilet
      paper plant and the ammunition plant. The first stuff is in short supply and oddly, ammunition sales are up. Hard for a factory worker to work at home. Same way with police: what does a socially distant SWAT team do? With the rubber gloves, you would think a bucket of bleach could be set out, dip them often and rinse in the sink?
      (minimally better than gloves crawling with virus). How
      would Dr. House do this..would he move in with Cuddy?

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    5. The abnormal shopping patterns. You have to ask yourself how long can people keep this up?

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  23. Z-man... you alright? Just kinda checking in. You can reach me at oaxdave at g mail...

    Be safe... be well...

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