Now some conservative bloggers like Patrick M say he's crazy and that's cool, everyone's entitled but there's no denying much of conservatism these days seems concerned with the advent of a Manchurian Candidate, not if but when and for many they have found their man. In Apocalyptic Conservatism the issues are more sharply defined, the stakes are higher and there's more of a sense of political Destiny than say the comfortable conservatism of a David Brooks whose prime tenet seems to be Do Not Offend, split the difference and have tea at the end of the day with liberals who always mean well after all (a little too Melba-toastish for me). Perhaps Rush had an acute case of Glenn Beckitis, he saw his blip getting near the end of the radar screen and had to get his name back up in lights (those phantom pains, I've gotten them every now and then in Life and usually just chalk it up to agita, I don't have my agent call the msm). El Rushbo (pretty cornball in this the Age of Lady Gaga) merely calls Obama a polarizing figure (BORING) whereas the new kid on the block is much more blunt, has more of a Scenario in place and so in Apocalyptic Conservatism you truly have a Clash of Opposites, how could it be otherwise? It might be extreme or radical but it stands for Something and after all Fatima was always more exciting than the Second Vatican Council anyway, the only thing missing is the cyborgs. Apocalyptic Conservatism, it's like Extreme Hardcore, why do you want a vase in the way or men on screen without genitals?
hey it's early:)
i was in a fye store recently. the operatic porn of michael ninn, are we making porn or a music video?
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my bro went to the doc once with chest pains and he wrote in his file chronic anxiety. rush is no longer that relevant with whatshisname around. time to go back behind the dennie's for the little blue babies again.
ReplyDeleteI remember in the good old days Rush would talk about the need to put drug-users behind bars, tough love he called it, it'd be the only way they'd learn. BUT I have to say Glenn Beck is at least interesting to listen to, it's not like he has Newt on all the time. Today he was talking about facts, let's talk about facts, what's proveable. That's what I say!
ReplyDeleteFor Patrick to think that Glenn Beck is crazy makes me realize that Patrick is not on the side of truth anymore, his mind I am thinking has been turned to mush from Facebooking with Saty too much. I tried to warn him, but he didn't listen. It's a shame, because I thought Patrick was a great guy, he just wasn't strong enough.
ReplyDeleteWell from what I can gather in listening to Beck for the short time that I have is this: Obama is a Marxist (Patrick has used this term himself in the campaign) and that there is some conspiracy afoot to make this into a Marxist nation. Now if the first part is true then the next part would seem logical but in order for Beck to be crazy there would have to be no scheme in place. It's like I blogged in the past about that CIA project from the 50's and 60's codenamed MKULTRA when CIA agents dosed large segments of the population with LSD to study its effects. Now if this weren't so well-documented, if it didn't get Congressional attention at the time with even a quote from the late Sen. Ted Kennedy to posit it would most probably delegate you to the loony-bin. So IS Glenn Beck crazy??? actually it all depends on what Obama IS. He's said Marxist things in the past so it wouldn't seem a stretch at all that he'd have like-minded people in his administration IMV(iew).
ReplyDeleteGlenn has made it known that he has informants, so I truly would not discount anything he says. Hoping that what he is saying is crazy because it is horrible to think that it could be true doesn't make it so.
ReplyDeleteNOW who doesn't have an open mind I ask?!?
As they say truth is often stranger than fiction. Now I've gone on record as having said that the vast majority of conspiracy theories aren't true but it also stands to reason that a very small % of them are or could be. The trouble with this whole subject is that it's somehow considered outside the parameters of sane or polite discourse to even consider them but you have Tuskegee and MKULTRA so the door's been opened twice. I agree with Patrick though when he blogged recently that the false moon-landing conspiracy is the most stupid yet simply because there would have been too many people involved but who's to say about the others? Maybe it's the people in government who are crazy and not Glenn Beck.
ReplyDeletewell I gotta go, I got chickens to spit:)
ReplyDeleteFor clarification, I said that Beck was 'nucking futs.' That doesn't preclude me from agreeing with him on much, if not most of what he says.
ReplyDeleteBut going on with conspiracy theories is preaching to the choir. The point of not going off half cocked is to win the minds (if said minds exist) of those who don't think about this stuff regularly and bring them into thinking logically. Otherwise, they think with their hearts and go liberal.
It's fun to call Obama a Marxist (and yes, in the heat of the campaign to justify the travesty of McCain, I broke out the phrase). But if we don't win the individual battles over the quasi-socialist agenda, screaming 'Marxist conspiracy' until the end of days won't do a damned thing.
Beth: I deal with facts, not truths. It requires a whole lot more work. And a whole lot more thought.
I can also separate my politics from whether I like talking to a particular individual. It requires a whole lot more work. And a whole lot more thought. Especially when half the conversations are about politics and there is no chance of agreeing in any possible way.
So bring your brain over to my blog and let's have it out if I've gone too soft for your taste.
I think that Patrick M is nucking futs.
ReplyDeleteBeth: I deal with facts, not truths. It requires a whole lot more work. And a whole lot more thought.
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell is that suppose to mean?
Beck does not go of half cocked either, do you actually listen to him or watch his show, or are you going by what others say about him? I suggest you just listen to him, you will not find a half cocked thing come out of his mouth, just those FACTS that you say you deal with.
Things: Yes, I am.
ReplyDeleteBeth: If I must explain....
Facts can be documented, quantified, and follow from actually working through problems. Truths require beliefs, assumptions, and sometimes bullshit (usually where justifying socialism is involved). Knowing the difference between the two allows for understanding the point of view of people who are sincere but fatally wrong.
As for Beck, I have listened, and I mostly agree with him. How many times do I have to repeat that. However, his stage presence is full of nuttery, as mine is full of self-deprecation and egomania. Another example would me Michael Savage, who's schtick is being really pissed off.
BTW, my last comment on my blog about Beck was intended just to torque off Glen Beck acolytes, just for fun.
Think about it.
Truth as defined at www.dictionary.com
ReplyDelete1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.
9. agreement with a standard or original.
10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
Only in Patrick World does truth have the meaning you have given it.
*sigh*
ReplyDeleteFirst, since you are up for some dictionary.com work:
Facts:
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.
For example, the idea that Jesus is Lord would be a truth, whereas the freezing point of water is 32 degrees Fahrenheit is a fact.
A truth is based on facts, but facts are not based on truth. They are very much related, but there is a difference.
BTW, Patrick World is a fun place. You get to make fun of me in it rather than being all torqued off about something. :)
I don't want to make fun of you Patrick or anyone else for that matter.
ReplyDeleteAnd in my opinion, Glenn Beck gets enough grief from the left that he doesn't need people who say they agree with him to knock him, too.
ReplyDeleteFacts...hmmmmmm...used to be the G-spot was a fact, it existed...the importance of early mammograms...now Science seems to be reversing itself all over the place, it's like there's no Truth anymore. Somewhere out there there HAS TO be a G-spot blog.
ReplyDeleteBeth: Therein you miss the point of parody and satire altogether. Sometimes, you have to entertain, then talk serious, even turn things to the ridiculous. Otherwise, the only people who listen are the ones who just nod their heads in lockstep agreement. Beck, and Limbaugh before him, get their most attention by saying things that stretch the bounds of reasonable and logical, then bring it back to thoughtful and logical. Then maybe end it by saying something ridiculous but funny as hell (see below).
ReplyDeleteZ: I don't think The G-spot was ever a known fact, but one of those myths that we kept bantering about until some scientists punched a hole in it for all us who were trained as Oriental lickmasters from the Far East.
I never worried about it myself. Just stuck to the best advice I ever received, courtesy of the late great Sam Kinison: Lick the Alphabet.
Of course, with my dating record, maybe it's not the best advice....
It's been kind of treated like an established fact though in the sex lit but maybe it's alot like evolution kind of almost exists but you can never quite nail it down so everyone's satisfied. But without it what the hell is COSMO gonna do now??????
ReplyDeleteIn order to properly judge Beck you HAVE TO know what Obama is imo. Is he a Communist as advertised, a socialist or just a strong liberal? One thing's fer sure HE ain't gonna say and prefers to be known as a centrist. OK so he took over some of the auto industry, he can always say that was a temporary emergency measure in tough times same thing with what his pay czar does. In the end it all becomes a matter of interpretation so you really need someone to dig DEEP here like some of the Hillary biographers to get a true reading of his political philosophy. For Beck to call the POTUS a Marxist smacks of John Birchitis...it's frustrating.
ReplyDeletePatrick, so allowing people to call fellow conservatives "asshats" at your blog you think helps our cause? Really?
ReplyDeleteBeth: It neither helps nor hurts. It's not about a cause, but highlighting the sometimes humorous and sometimes dumb, and sometimes bad. Asshattery simply is. I'm sure I'll end up giving myself AOTW sometime this year too.
ReplyDeleteYou think you can win the hearts and minds of liberals by giving yourself and me asshat awards, but I disagree, it does not help advance conservatism, and I do think it hurts. Z-man has discussed this before, liberals never turn on each other, why do we conservatives do it? I expect liberals to bash me, but not someone who is supposed to agree with me, I guess I will never understand your logic in doing so.
ReplyDeleteBeth, I'm trying to entertain, not win over. And I usually have a point somewhere in a lot of it.
ReplyDelete...liberals never turn on each other...
Did you miss the amount of crap they gave Joe Lieberman for killing the government option? And have you kept a finger on the pulse of any liberal organization and how they excoriate the ass off anyone who steps out of line? I have. And they get downright hostile.
And it's not about "turning on" any-damned-one. There you miss a key tenet of conservatism: the ability to think rationally, logically, and independently as any individual should. And that means I call them as I see them rather than marching along like a mindless automaton.
Well now that I realize your intentions, I see we do have very different ideas, so you carry on and good luck to you, Patrick.
ReplyDeleteBeth: No, you don't. But now I have motivation.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about Obama is that there's no political consensus about what he is and therein lies the problem. Everyone knew FDR was a big-government type, Reagan was a conservative, Bill Clinton was a triangulator etc. but seems to me we need to come to some sort of consensus about what Obama is before we can judge Beck. Seems to me Obama is whatever people want him to be but that's not reality.
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ReplyDeleteZ-man: There doesn't necessarily need to be a consensus on what Obama is, because a single word doesn't cover everything that we get in a politician like him.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've gathered from listening to the first thousand hours of Obama Presidential speeches (which he managed e to racked up in a couple of weeks), is that he's mostly talk, because he never had to take action before. He favors government solutions for everything based on the policies he advances. He distrusts anything privately owned or run (also based on his policies). Every bit of lip service he gives to free markets is immediately countered by a policy designed to squash said free markets. And every speech assigns blame on the past administration, and on the EEEVIL rich that the "dastardly" Bush served.
Those are the things we can see on the surface. And that's enough to go on. The rest requires stretching onto the la la land of conspiracy theory.
Speaking of which: I think FDR was reincarnated in Obama. Most likely without balls. But also with the sense to know that making us all merely servants to the Imperial Federal Government is something no one in their right mind (and even many liberals) would willingly do. So he's going to give us the poison in lots of small doses.
And the death of America will be by self-inflicted paper cuts.
(and interesting is always fun, especially when somebody loses an eye)
ReplyDeleteI dunno Z-man, why do we have to define what Obama is? Just compare him to what the Constitution says and you know he's nowhere close to our treasured national document. It's as if he took Constitutional Law classes at Harvard so he would know the exact OPPOSITE to do.
ReplyDeleteWell from what Patrick M said here I think we can come up with a workable definition: he's an aspiring socialist but here's the thing with Beck. I was listening one morning as I said and this was right after the Ft. Hood massacre and he said Obama didn't have the proper reaction or response but then went even further. He talked about when your gut knows something ain't right like when your dog knows there's a serial killer next door so he's leading up to Something Right After the Commercial Break, something obviously dark and sinister although sometimes he never comes right out and says it (Obama's the new OBL?). Now this is a pretty honest blog, I pretty much go with anything that pops into the old noggin' but gee whiz man not EVERYTHING! Let's say in a weak (Christian Bros. induced?) moment late at night by my calculations Henry Kissinger is the Antichrist well I'ma gonna leave that on the cutting-room floor know what I'm sayin'? Beck can be like some movie producer that doesn't edit his own movie.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong I still listen, he makes the most compelling cases for "maximum freedom" (his definition of libertarianism) but there were just a couple of times, just every now and then mind you that I thought maybe his sidekick slipped him some acid.
Beth: "Just compare him to what the Constitution says and you know he's nowhere close to our treasured national document."
ReplyDeleteHow many presidents were?
Good point, Z-man, not many this past century.
ReplyDeleteYou see the thing with conspiracy theories and I'm open to at least some of them at least a crack more than Pat M is is this: they're so notoriously difficult to prove, to nail down and I'm not talking about something that makes sense in your own head. Now you say Beck has informants, I heard him say once he has a couple of Deep Throats, well imo now is the time to lay his cards on the table if he wants to have any cred.
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