It was shameful, not Wiener but the House vote dealing with health care coverage for all those 9/11 first responders. This shows the perverseness of our political system, corrupt beyond all hope that Bush bailed out the banks, then Obama bailed out some major financial firms and a large part of the auto industry and all these literally billions of dollars could have been used instead to cover first responders' health care needs which are considerable. In this day and age if you express emotion you're irrational but I do respect raw emotion when I see it if it is based on principle. The New York Post editorial today took some sarcastic jibes of course at this Brooklyn Democrat saying he needs some meds (haha) but that's what the invalidators do even if you're 120% right about something but make the mistake of showing passion - "he's crazy!!" The target of much of Wiener's ire was the Republican Congressman from Long Island, Peter King who retorted that it was the Democrats who changed the rules to require a 2/3 majority to pass. Now the Post's main gripe against the so-called Zadroga Bill is that you can have scamsters come in and take their piece of the pie (WELL DUH!) but the answer to this one is really quite simple, require medical proof that you were effected by 9/11 toxins. You see here's a basic fact about human nature as applied to our health and really Life in general -- if you're not experiencing something yourself, if you're not suffering in the same way then you have the leisure to talk about it in the abstract. Happened to me at work quite recently. Talked with the boss about some personal health issues mostly related to the psychedelic water I along with a few others drank and while it wasn't denied there are problems you and the others still have to work nights, don't leave early, here's the work you have to do. It's over their heads, it's not relateable and so I have more than a passing bias here about this important legislation in the Congress. Corruption is the natural order of things, it's human nature to first cover things up as it is alleged happened in the Yonkers Fire Department about ten years ago. It is alleged that a group of Yonkers firefighters dosed other Yonkers firefighters with LSD without their knowledge. The predictable health effects and it is alleged the YFD knew about the results of the bloodwork but the YFD chose the route of saying "so-and-so was a heavy drinker." As this relates to the concerns of the Post about scammers and 9/11 you can then turn that around and say those with bona-fide health problems relating to 9/11 will have their stories questioned too because government coffers are tight. After all we're dealing with human nature.
What a shameful chapter in our political history, that Goldman Sachs and General Motors got millions and millions of dollars in bailout money but our 9/11 first responders are still suffering from effects of 9/11 toxins while somebody in Congress who is justifiably outraged over this is told to take his meds. Of course it's all Abstract. It's a Dali thing, you wouldn't understand.
I totally agree with you, it is an outrage that these first responders are getting the shaft. Where are our priorities?!?
ReplyDeleteYes folks the Lib/Dem-Wack-jobs are losing it...
ReplyDeleteFuck that. What m@akes these first responders any more worthy than any other responders? Put the tax payers on the hook for bennies for these guys is an sick. It's the same thing with the victims of the 35w bridge collapse. Bullshit....
ReplyDeletesoapster said...Fuck that. What m@akes these first responders any more worthy than any other responders?
ReplyDeleteTry being one and you might understand!
soapster said...
ReplyDeleteFuck that. What m@akes these first responders any more worthy than any other responders? Put the tax payers on the hook for bennies for these guys is an sick. It's the same thing with the victims of the 35w bridge collapse. Bullshit..
Yeah, well, you know, that's your opinion, but what the fuck would a coward like you know!
Is there anyone that really takes that little Weiner seriously?
ReplyDeleteHe is always blaming the Republicans....but the Democrats have ALL the votes they need! This guy's ranting & raving only makes him look more ridiculous than he already is.
I gotta disagree with you Soapie on this one. First responders are paid with taxpayer dollars, so if they need extra help with medical bills relating to their work, they deserve it. People who sit on this asses and think by virtue of them being Americans they should get free health care, that is totally not the same thing.
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing of denying health care for 9-11 workers in order to accommodate illegal immigrants. Holding the First Responders hostage to the interests of" "illegal aliens" is not only disgusting but outrageous! No Soapster it's not Bullshit?
ReplyDeleteOur citizens should take priority and bills should not be held up at their expense. I am not disinclined to deprive these illegals who suffer from 9/11 related illnesses health care, but holding a bill hostage and putting American citizens at risk is not the right way to do it. We are not obligated to take care of the world before our own citizens
Try being one and I'd understand...what the fuck would I know?? This is where we are at. Everyone opposed to big government except when it's their subsidy and shit.
ReplyDeleteAlso, for the record, Dali wasn't abstract he was surreal. Kandinsky was abstract. Pollock was abstract.
ReplyDeleteFirst responders are public servants though, Soapster, and thus should be taken care of properly. What doesn't make sense is the health care overhaul passing Congress but taking care of public servants does not pass, doesn't make sense to me.
ReplyDeleteFor weeks, a judge and teams of lawyers have been urging 10,000 former ground zero workers to sign on to a court-supervised settlement that would split $713 million among people who developed respiratory problems and other illnesses after inhaling trade center ash. But, that wasn't good enough for the responders. Instead, they want government to carve out a pricey nitch especially for them. It's bullshit. What part of we are broke, we don't have the money, we can't afford billions more in debt are we not understanding?
ReplyDeleteSo let's suppose you concur with the responders on this particular piece of legislation which would add nearly $10 billion to the deficit.
ReplyDeleteNow, let's suppose massive flooding occurs in the great plains and now the farming/agricultural community comes with a similar demand. After all, they work with their hands and they provide the food for us.
Then...yet some more months later, another constituency needs funds for their cause and yet another and another and another and another.....
Each and every cause superior to the others in the mind of the beneficiary.
Thus, we arrive at this point. This article sums up the issue quite succinctly:
American Hypocrites:
The only thing Americans hate more than big government is the absence of government protection.
http://www.slate.com/id/2260968/
"First responders are public servants though, Soapster, and thus should be taken care of properly."
ReplyDeleteIf that's indeed the case Beth, then why oh why in
Section 3311 wherein the eligibility requirements are layed out of WTC responders and those eligible for the benefits include individuals who were not even at the WTC site???
`(ii)(I)a surviving immediate family member of an individual who was a member of the Fire Department of New York City (whether fire or emergency personnel, active or retired) and was killed at the World Trade site on September 11, 2001
`(iii) was an employee of the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of New York City involved in the examination and handling of human remains from the World Trade Center attacks, or other morgue worker who performed similar post-September 11 functions for such Office staff, during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002;
`(C) RESPONDERS TO THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS AT THE PENTAGON AND SHANKSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA- The individual--
It behooves each and everyone of us to, before acting out of "feeling", read each and every bill prior to eliciting a response.
ReplyDeleteI'm not implying that no-one did but come on...let's be honest here.
For 9 years the rescue workers have tried and tried over and over to get the healthcare needed to treat the injuries that they sustained when they worked at ground zero on September 11, 2001, when those planes filled with those miserable Muslim Terrorist’s slammed into the World Trade Center towers. . And this was the bill that would finally have granted those sick 9/11 rescue workers some help... This has been nothing less than a slap in the faces of the families and first responders who have suffered more that their share since that awful day. When will enough be enough?
ReplyDeleteWe the people elected these politicians and we have to throw them out next time. We can’t keep these moral cretins in office over and over again when they do not represent us. … we have to remove them from office. Political parties don't matter, everyone of them and start over. The message will have been sent, the government works for the welfare of the people and not just for themselves and their pockets and their power.
Soapie it's not every day that planes are deliberately flown into skyscrapers. This was unique in a historical perspective and is a special circumstance. Make sure all their needs are met.
ReplyDeleteCan o worms open. Everyone making their case for their "unique" and "special circumstance".
ReplyDeleteDon't blame me...I told you so.
It's not just a special circumstance, it's an uber-special circumstance. You can't compare terrorists flying planes into skyscrapers with somebody's cow dying in a mudslide.
ReplyDeleteLogically no. Case u haven't noticed, logic is in short supply in D.C.
ReplyDeleteWhat I wanna know is why ONLY 12 REPUBLICANS in the House voted for this bill. Aren't they always the patriotic ones? I agree with Mal, throw every single incumbent out of office. Doesn't matter if they're Repub or Dem, throw the bums out!!!
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