Sunday, July 14, 2013
The George Zimmerman Verdict and Al Sharpton in all his glory
So I go to work this morning and a black co-worker is carrying around The Daily News and you're like I heard that Jeter got hurt again. NOT GUILTY, look I'd have more respect for the Black View in this case if they didn't cheer when OJ got acquitted. The circular reasoning of pro-choicers like BB and Saty - if Barack Obama were aborted we wouldn't have one of the greatest presidents of modern times (in their view). Discuss all this and more.
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It's merely another distraction, another trivial matter which can be fully exploited to further divide the masses amongst themselves so they're not focused on the Bradley Manning trial, the Edward Snowden whistleblower matter, further devaluation of the dollar, the US involvement in Syria, an endless war in Afghanistan, more violence in Iraq, uprising in Egypt.
ReplyDelete“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”
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The Trial of George Zimmerman should have only been a debate about MANSLAUGHTER. For State Att'y Angela Corey to hold a press conference and announce charges of second-degree murder was just offbeat. It was a farce of a trial and the prosecution was terrible. Now they wanna take it to Justice and I'm not a lawyer but don't we have a thing about double jeopardy?
ReplyDeleteI don't understand all of the protests about the verdict, I mean the jury heard all of the evidence and made a decision, isn't our justice system based on that and not public opinion?
ReplyDeleteUnless we were there for the whole trial and heard every witness and saw all the evidence, who are we to either agree or disagree with the jury? I myself applaud them for doing their civic duty, and that is all I can add to the discussion.
Although I knew that CWH would have a good point of view on the topic, and he makes a good point indeed. United we stand, divided we fall.
There is a whole universe of difference between being on that jury and hearing every iota of evidence and sitting at home and imbibing all this through media osmosis. The msm went exclusively with the racial angle of course and so that's what most people took away from this. I felt the same way about the Sean Bell case in Queens, in one version he was driving his SUV towards the cops and so that's why they shot him but this wasn't really dwelt on by the msm. The msm tell us what to think.
ReplyDeleteThere is not moral compass with the masses. They blow with the winds of change, swap out this channel for that channel on a whim.
ReplyDeleteIf they were really concerned with matters of race and disparities thereof then why aren't they protesting the war on drugs?
The racial disparity in incarceration rates for non-violent drug offenders is a much larger story than the Zimmerman trial will ever be. And yet...not a peep.
And then of course there are those poor Muslim men, women, and children dying from drone strikes in Pakistan and wherever else. But hey...the ball isn't bouncing so much on that story.
Very good presentation by Stefan Molyneux of some facts which may or may not have been reported by the MSM.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc
I was at a party once with a correction officer and those racial disparities and incarceration rates came up in conversation, usually it goes like white businessman who uses cocaine gets far softer sentence than black guy who does crack and yet the correction officer had a good point. He said if you have a problem with this he goes "well ya wanna know something? don't do drugs."
ReplyDeleteThat's not a good point at all. A black guy doing crack or a white guy doing coke are not in and of themselves crimes.
ReplyDeleteBut alas the state needs criminals in order that the show go on.
Statists gonna state.
But yeah you bring up some other good points, why focus just on Zimmerman? Re the trial and verdict here's my feelings: I can respect BOTH those who say he should be not guilty of manslaughter and those who say he should have been convicted of manslaughter although the possible 30-yr. sentence that would attach here baffles me. I can understand and respect BOTH arguments and those who make them. What I can't understand, what I have no respect for is the POV that he should have been convicted of 2nd degree Murder. No reasoned person makes this argument and the State of Florida was responding to political pressure and actually did both sides a disservice.
ReplyDeleteBecause so much of the judicial system predicates itself on case law, and bad case law at that, it is obviously going to produce a perpetual cycle that is void of consistency.
ReplyDeleteThe old saying the Law is an Ass.
ReplyDelete“As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose--that it may violate property instead of protecting it--then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder.”
ReplyDelete~ Frederic Bastiat
The question how much social progress have we made under Obama has been brought up and in the wake of Zimmerman seems we're more divided and polarized along racial lines in these type cases than ever before. Major fault lines and the uniting and healing doesn't seem to be happening.
ReplyDeleteBringing a black president into office has brought out every closet and latent racist in the entire population. People who were only mildly threatened by the slow downfall of white supremacy in this country were confronted on a level they never have been before; a black man in charge of the whole shebang. And that irrevocably changed the equation. Other people started manipulating those emotions, playing onto people's fears, and using them to further their own agenda. The biggest example is guns: people have been screaming that THE FEDS ARE COMING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS RIGHT NOW.... since 2008. And so far, nobody's had their guns confiscated, but gun sales have gone through the roof. People were misled about health insurance being death panels, being socialism, not true, not happening but let's stoke the fear, because by God we have a black man in office and that means anything bad you could imagine is just about to happen. Conservatives as a group have moved further to the right; their stated objective from the first minute was to keep Obama from a second term and barring that to prevent him doing absolutely anything. Compromise is verboten and you cannot be too right wing to please some of these constituents; 'conservatism' as it was ten years ago is practically dead, those folks are considered liberals now.
ReplyDeleteSo I think a lot of the polarization you're talking about has been whipped up by companies and entities that have used it for their own furtherance, this fear has been manipulated and stoked for political and financial gain, and quite a bit of the good that has could have gotten done has not gotten done because there are factions that simply aren't going to let it happen; even bills that have always passed with bipartisan support have suddenly had no support from the right, even bills that particular Republicans have written and sponsored and supported no longer get voted for by their own creators if the President voices support for said bill.
So it's all been a giant manipulation.
I can give you examples of things I've heard, 'now that they have a president they're gonna think they can do whatever they want' 'now white people are gonna be discriminated against' 'now you see white people are a minority and have no power''they don't know thie place anymore'...these are statements by people who were previously OK with black people (as long as they knew their place) but the idea of a black president means that a majority of the population voted against the white man, and therefore that translates into a threat to all white people in America, because we have seen that a majority went AGAINST the white guy. I have learned a lot about race relatuions since moving South and I can tell you, we have always been racially polarized..its just that it all moved up a Defcon notch when a black man was put in charge of the whole thing. White people are terrified that they aren't a majority capable of perpetuating racial dominance as has been the status quo since ever, notwithstanding emancipation and that all men are created equal thing.
ReplyDeleteThat Barack Obama being the nation's first black president would give the Black POV on the Zimmerman/Martin case is to be expected but he's also the president of our entire diverse country not just of liberal America. I keep coming back to his remark about black men being offended when they walk past and hear white folks snapping their car doors shut. That's weaving in alot of subjectivism into the racial mix. I get up every morning and before pulling out of my space always look my driver's side door as a matter of course. Sometimes there's a black guy coming sometimes there's not but again that's just coincidence and I'm sure AAA would say it's always wise when driving to lock your doors. That's part of what I mean when I say it was a weak predictable speech. He's not so much the post-racial president we all expected, instead he's hanging out with Al Sharpton who it would take a whole day's blogging just to give that man's checkered history. Then there's Jay-Z who uses the N-word in his lyrics of course but I guess that's not polarizing either.
ReplyDeleteI really believe that until one is discriminated against as a minority that there's no real way to understand what people go through. I had this experience at my current job a while back. I had had my hair done ans a family thought I was black and they were particularly not happy about having a black nurse. It was an amazing eyeopening experience and really I was heartbroken at the time but after I got over the shock it was terribly instructive. I have also been mistaken for Muslim and been on the receiving end of some hate (people can't tell the difference between Hindu and Muslim) that way and really you know that shit is terrifying. So I really came to a new understanding and I thinl until you experience that, you can't really get what it means to a balck person.
ReplyDeleteThe Irish were discriminated at the turn of the last century but they tend to be conservative. I love the Sanford and Son episode where Fred has to go to the dentist and he doesn't want the black dentist, he wants the white one because he feels they have more education. I love some of the TV from the '70s before pc.
ReplyDeleteLook the Obama Speech, if he left out the subjective parts, the racial paranoia it would have been a stronger, more universal speech.
ReplyDeleteIt's not paranoia if they're really out to get you. If anyone tries to claim that white privilege doesn't exist in this country, or that we are some kind of a post racial society, they're full of shit.
ReplyDeleteWhite privilege...I was mulling this over last night. I must've missed out on it in my life. I mean I don't even have a 65" smart tv yet.
DeleteYou're a recipient of it every single day. Part of what makes it white privilege is that you don't even realize it. It's that natural.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't we have a WET channel? Because all tv entertainment, by default practically, has always been 'white entertainment television'.
That's the sort of thing I'm trying to point out. 'White' is the default answer. If you're emphasizing 'black' it's because 'black' has historically been the exception.
I'm telling you, if you could spend an hour being black, or at least having people perceive you as black and responding to you as if you were, you'd have a different viewpoint of all of this. That family opened my eyes like no one ever has. You absolutely cannot understand it from a secondhand perspective.
Problem is your factory settings are from the 50's and 60's.
DeleteWhite privilege hasn't changed.
ReplyDeleteIt hasn't changed, but thinking about it a little more, it may also be a bit of a reflection of where I live. I remember plenty of prejudice and bigotry in New York, but the thing that surprised me most when we moved here was how socially acceptable it was to be more public about your prejudice and bigotry. People could say and do things that in NY would not have been at all acceptable in an environment outside one's own home. I was very surprised by that, and surprised by the (non) reaction from the black folks it was aimed at. So, while I continue to maintain that we are in no way postracial and that white privilege is a very real thing, I will acknowledge that in NC it is more socially acceptable to be 'out' about your bigotry.
ReplyDeleteBack in the day before landing a steady long-term job I'd go on job interviews and send the resumes out and hardly anything approached a serious job prospect...white privilege. Also lots of poor white folks on the welfare...white privilege.
DeleteI consider myself a post-racial person. On some level the whole subject of race bores me.
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna go back to the beginning of this and just say that you don't really get it.
ReplyDelete& I'm gonna go back to what I've always been saying and that is you don't read every word of my blog, don't appreciate nuance. In a just society should Zimmerman have been convicted of 2nd degree murder? no I don't get that. IMO the prosecution owes the whole African-American community in this country a huge mea culpa for seriously muffing a case that had at least a fair amount of legal merit to it.
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