Thursday, December 03, 2015
Random thoughts on random violence
Re yesterday's very tragic events in San Bernardino CA -- Premature liberal commentary as usual headed by the president himself and Nicholas Kristof and the editorial board of the NY Times. Apparently it's too much to ask to wait a day or two before opining but opine they must framing yesterday's massacre in the usual gun control terms when terrorism hasn't been ruled in or ruled out yet. Some of my preliminary thoughts: the act was carried out by a young couple in their late 20's and it involved a social services agency so my first thought was it's easy enough for any bureaucratic dept. of the gov't to piss people off but then we got some Egyptian/Middle Eastern names going and the husband recently made the obligatory trip to Mecca and the way they carried the whole thing out struck many initially as being something other than the usual gun violence in this country so there does seem to be some reluctance on the part of liberals to go down this road, they don't want to offend CAIR and the guy did work there or something so...such commentary is a form of leftist political masturbation, they can't help themselves and it serves no purpose but being a habit they need to get it out of their system and anything that may even tenuously smack of the need for more gun control becomes a kind of social/political trigger, a liberal frenulum. So basically it doesn't really matter what the investigation comes up with it's just another golden opportunity to discuss gun control and maybe Obama can even put the whole thing in the larger framework of climate change who knows?
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Kudos on using "frenulum".
ReplyDeleteI don't have a lot else to give you here. I'm still pretty much unwell and just trying to get that to a manageable point.
But I'm sick of people saying if more people were armed this shit wouldn't happen. There have been better than one mass shooting PER DAY this year in America. Obviously the NRA and the "lets arm everyeffingbody" group haven't got it right. And I am sick of politicians who pray over these things rather than try to do something concrete about them.
And no, Virginia, everyone who kills someone else isn't necessarily mentally ill.
So..anyone who thinks there is a problem and is looking for answers is a liberal?
ReplyDeleteNext time someone shoots up your Christmas party, just chalk it up to NRA collateral damage, the lifeless bodies a sacrifice to the 2nd Amendment? OK..seems to have worked so far.
Liberals need to stop treating gun control as if it THE ANSWER. I'm for some gun control but don't understand the high expectations liberals see in gun control proposals. ONLY THE LAW-ABIDING ARE AFFECTED BY GUN CONTROL. You think ISIS cares about background checks?
DeleteB if it does turn out to be terror the whole gun control issue isn't even relevant and shame on the NY Daily News for its prayer shaming.
ReplyDeleteDunno about you- if a bunch of innocents are shot it IS terror, whether ISIS or some
ReplyDeletegoogly eyed mental case in a theater. We witness the legacy of Charlton Heston's
'cold dead hands'. Did you notice the spectre of Lapierre behind that guy that shot
the waitress in the face when she asked him to not smoke? You wanna bet Lapierre
snickers every time an old grandma gets frisked at the airport? This country is witnessing a gun culture beyond any in its history: hell, back in the 1880s every western town banned guns. We note just a few years back, "the Mulford Act enacted in 1967 under Ronald Reagan during his period as Governor of California. This act effectively restricted citizens from carrying guns in public and created one of the countries most strict gun control regulations." They learned the hard way. So, I guess, will we.
I would say this. Gun control AT BEST has a limited usefulness which is not to say it needs to be opposed at every turn but recognize it may only stop a small % of massacres. In some cases the guns were legally owned and the person passed a background check.
DeleteYesterday congress voted down legislation which included gun show background checks and denying those on the terrorist watchlist the right
Deleteto purchase arms. So, not to worry, and you are right, there isn't much that can be done. Do you think it is critically important that terrorist suspects be denied trips on planes, but should be able to purchase weapons in the US? BTW, that god-fearing hillbilly that shot up the PP
had a history of alcohol, gambling, spouse abuse and uncontrolled anger.
The religious right is in dire need of better roll models, ya know? You agree with Wayne LePew that if all these Christmas parties, churches,
movie goers were armed to the teeth, the problem would go away?
What's next, a bunch of Charles Bronson wannabees knocking off the
creeps? Yeah, that's what the 2nd is all about. Gunfights.
That PP-shooting hillbilly covered so many topics in his post-arrest rants police still aren't quite sure about his motivations. So when did I say I don't support some gun control? I can't seem to find it in the archives.
DeleteOh yeah you think the Mafia back in the day cared about background checks and the latest gun control bill? "We have to call off the Castellano hit, too much gun control." C'mon BB the answer has to be bigger than thism
ReplyDeleteCriminals against criminals is a type of law enforcement right? They got
DeleteCapone on tax law, maybe they could get Luciano on illegal firearms?
Didn't Bonnie & Clyde die of lead poisoning? Am I to understand that we
spend billions on security after the 2.974 Twin Towers deaths, but are helpless about the 401,496 gunfire deaths in the US since? I truly hope not.
When we fail to pass laws because criminals will avoid them, we are indeed
a failed society.
Somebody hellbent on causing mayhem and destruction is gonna get ahold of guns hence the limited utility of gun control. The larger issue is why are we such a violent society?
DeleteAgreed. Your 'Larger Issue' is the core of the problem. We are violent...
Deletebut we don't push gays off tall buildings or stone young girls like ISIS.
Where to start on the Larger Issue: grade school bullies? kids that set
cats afire? The bumper stickers that say 'My kid can beat up your honor
student? CEOs that raise the price of drugs 1000%? A blog-o-sphere rampant with discord? We Americans are exceptional..and full of bile.
We refer to the 18th Century poet Alexander Pope-
"Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man."
& contradictory. Quentin Tarantino has been protesting in NYC re killer cops yet name a Tarantino flick that isn't ultra-violent. He even seems to find a dark humor in cinematic violence.
DeleteMy thing about gun control is it might stop some pimpled psycho virgin from shooting up an Iron Man 20 showing...maybe, might once in a while but it doesn't even begin to solve the larger crime issue like the gangbangers. So basically you're working to prevent the weird oddball occurrence of anti-world violence from breaking out.
ReplyDeleteEven AFTER the FBI has officially declared the case is being investigated as an act of TERRORISM liberals in America can't help seeing the tragedy in terms of a greater need for gun control. Terror is a far larger issue than Newtown but liberals act like if we just pass enough laws we can nip this one in the bud too. A deadly naivete.
ReplyDeleteThe GOP congress shot down legislation that would prohibit people on the terrorism watchlist from buying firearms (including assault types) in this country. That simple act, IMO, either indicates they are enablers of terrorism, or piss in their pants at the name of Wayne Lapierre. You sound like liberals are the cause of the gun problem? BTW, Bernie Sanders gave out a 10 point program on gun regulations which was pretty tame, BUT at
Deleteleast he has the balls to try. You probably know that guns sales go sky high
after every mass shooting and manufacture and sales businesses salivate.
Basically, the murder of innocents is more effective than advertising. What
has become of the USA? I guess, I'm naïve, huh?
The Mrs. said why doesn't anybody do anything about all the shooting?
DeleteI mentioned that it is technically easy to produce every tenth round which
will detonate in the chamber and she laughed.
Big flaw in how libs are looking at this. Terrorism and your average American mass murderer are two entirely different beasts. The issue of gun control is relevant to the latter, not so much to the former. Obama tends to conflate though as many libs do.
DeleteAlso and let's be generous here. Let's posit that ideal gun control legislation properly applied would prevent 1 or even 2 in 5 potential mass shooters from following through: the gun control is definitely worth it but libs act like it's some magic bullet if you'll pardon the pun and would automatically stop all 5 for some reason. At least that's my take.
DeleteThey say conservatives would like to go back to the good old days. But in the good old days, places like Deadwood and Dodge City had laws; check your fire arms with the sheriff. No guns in the bars, but plenty of spittoons. Today, you can go to those
ReplyDeletebars carrying heat, but get charged if you use tobacco. Progress? Maybe. Odd?
Definitely.
I hear you but liberals don't commonly offer an alternative mode or theory of self-defense in such situations. At least Saty is a fan of Mace.
DeleteRE: "Terrorism and your average American mass murderer are two entirely different beasts." They are: of the 280,000+ American deaths by gunfire in this country, 24
ReplyDeletewere done by terrorists. IMO, the victims in their graves care not a wit about parsing
the who-dunnits.
But why are the liberals talking about the latest act of terror in our country in the same way they talked about James Holmes or Adam Lanza? Is it because they don't like to talk about radical Islamists for fear of offending CAIR?
Delete& how are the latest gun control proposals being bandied about gonna put an end to the gangbangers in the Bronx? Last I checked NYC has pretty strict gun control.
DeleteMy wife is going to visit NYC next Spring with a group of retired educators. You know, the shops, cafes, ferries. Is she more at danger from gangbangers or cops? :)
DeleteWell "NYC has pretty strict gun control." may regulate sporting shops. My
Deleteguess is 90% of the gang weapons are stolen, run up from the south from
gun show straw purchases or internet purchased. There is a group in my state trying to arm schizophrenics, ex felons, wife abusers and the like on the basis that the 2nd Amendment refers to any and all, or at least has no
restrictions or intent thereof. My point is that gun control is far lesser now than at any time in the past 100 years but gun proponents want even less.
Our local paper letters to the editor is full of the rationale that if every one
has a side arm, mass murders would go away. That could, of course, cut
either way: with every one shooting, who are the bad guys?. How about sort of a sin tax like on my pipe tobacco? Or licensing every year like my
car? You know, something anything, other than either accepting Sandy Hook as normal 2nd Amendment collateral damage (or the apparently
much favored 'it was faked', if you care to read the gun crowd blogs) or
just giving up on gun owners as being responsible citizens..there is one guy that publishes a monthly record of gun injuries and deaths, from babies, to guys that blast a testicle trying to sit on the Mall pot with a holster..generally about 70-80/month. As for strict gun control, the only
place I've seen that is on military bases and defense plants; the last bastion of common sense, I guess
Is she black?
DeleteI just see the San Bernardino shootings more through the lens of it being a terrorist problem and being such ISIS or its supporters will get the arms from somewhere. Perhaps the bigger issue is why wasn't the young radicalized couple on the FBI radar screen?
DeleteGood question. Even family members and coworkers didn't notice anything. Odd, considering the arsenal in the apartment; unless that's
Deletethe norm anymore.
I thought the secret NSA program revealed by Snowden was supposed to scoop this stuff up. What good is it?
DeleteSome covert is more covert than other covert?
DeleteCheney wants to waterboard the remains.
DeleteLast night's dream: was out in a strange town shopping. Every
ReplyDeletestore downtown had a huge greenhouse on the way in with hundreds of fruit and vegetable plants that customers could pick free and munch on in the store. I gotta review my diet...
Did you see the president's speech last night? Of course McCain wants to send ground troops in. Not sure if they'd be just for IS or the Russians too.
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