I'll be honest I don't much follow the abortion debate anymore main reason is it's agitating especially right before you go to bed. A large
part of society practices abortion, always have and always will so that social fact is agitating so I prefer to think of other things. I'm tangentially aware of the issue though as Justice Kennedy didn't much care for those abortion restrictions down in TX designed to close as many clinics as possible. Must be my advancing age, my general social irritability as when presented with the need for abortion these days I'm most likely to go had to have sex didn't you? (Church Lady id) Those women activists down in TX they act like they won the World Series or the Super Bowl or something. IMO the Ole Gray Lady's love for abortion and yes it is love is on another level, otherworldly even. OK agita;)
Tuesday, June 28, 2016
The SCOTUS TX Abortion Decision
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Can't live without pet peeves. Mine are big business,
ReplyDeletebloated banks and the NRA. Not much we can do, but mutter
and live with it, ya know?
On a practical level there's the inconvenience of making an appointment. Do people talk about it afterwards? "How'd the abortion go?" Church Lady: "I hope the sex was worth it."
ReplyDelete"The abortion went OK. My church wouldn't let me take
DeleteBC pills because the Bible says they are bad. You see,
Church Lady, I was raped by my stepfather.
You're talking strictly RC Church as Pat Robertson wouldn't have a problem with bc at least for the married and maybe throw in medicinal pot too.
DeleteI have a doctor, he has admitting privileges at several hospitals. My GI doc also has admitting privileges at many hospitals. Are abortion docs different?
ReplyDeleteGood question. I thought most physicians have admitting privileges. A judge in the state of Washington recently declared that any public hospital in the state that provides
ReplyDeleteob/gyn and birthing must be available for abortions. Doubtful that will fly. The thing about religion vs health
care I don't understand is that their concern is about others, not their own problems. The reduction ad absurdum
argument of course is, who besides a Jehovah Witness would go to a doctor that refuses to do transfusions? Or one that
refuses to vaccinate children? Heck, do I care for religious reasons whether or not you get a colonoscopy? No,
that is your business not mine. (I sort of draw the line at
that single welfare lady in CA that had quintuplets by artificial insemination) means. But back to admitting privileges, I doubt a Catholic hospital would admit an abortion providing physician. I'm thinking abortion is controversial enough...what will happen when CRISPR technology gets going? They call it CRISPR because it is easier to remember than Clustered Regularly Interspersed Short
Palindromic Repeats. We discover and learn at way too fast
a rate anymore.
I would think admitting privileges add a nice shine to a doctor's resume like when you google your favorite doc's name. Google an abortion doc in TX and it may as well say medical loner, pariah...
ReplyDeleteI would do that, but I don't need these fine people harassing me and picketing my house. :)
ReplyDeleteI would think admitting privileges would be no biggie.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking for myself but I think when something controversial, something morally questionable becomes too common and mainstream it drives me in the opposite direction. I think the onus then shifts to the pro-choice side (why is it so common, has society become too cavalier about it? etc.). Perhaps if you only had 500-1000 abortions per year you wouldn't have all these groups, then again maybe you would.
ReplyDeleteIn general, abortion is a cultural phenomenon..going back to
ReplyDeletethe Egyptians 5000 years ago. The religious sector of culture at this time in Christianity, among some denominations, equates fetus=baby and assigns 100% of the
problem (and the guilt) to the mother. When I was a wee one,
they still had orphanages, and once in awhile a teenage girl
would disappear for a few weeks and returen (minus one orphan). As we know, the church, along with the state, ran the orphanages. Somewhere in the last couple of generations the pro-life people appear to have become far more concerned with fetus fate, without a care for the fate of
the mother and/or child. In fact it is almost a gotcha thing, IMO: you must have your baby: good, you had it: no,
we ain't gonna pay no damn taxes to help you..its YOUR problem now. There are odd things that don't seem to add up
like the bunch that would regulate abortions with stiff penalties, but resist any encroachment on their arsenal of
semi-automatic pistols and assault weapons. It's like we
want to control others with moral legislation, but squeal
when we ourselves get regulated. Human Nature..it is odd.
Hospital admitting: last week I had an NP drain a fluid build up from a tendon at the soleus/grastromecus junction
(I guessed 4-5 ccs - needle took 4.8 ccs) and the thought
of admitting privileges was the last thing on my mind. That
said, I actually understand the distress that abortion causes to the pro-lifer-it goes against their belief in the sanctity of life.
On the flipside there are people who want to spare the life of the criminal but not the fetus. Fetus/baby - I have as yet to hear someone say "how's your fetus?" I think it's overgeneralizing that lifers only care about the unborn phase. I'm not the protesting/picketing type. It's the overcommonness of feticide that largely drives my pro-lifeness. IMO it's a negative social pathology much like divorce.
DeleteI keep coming back to admitting privileges. So many good doctors have them and yet many abortionists don't otherwise these pro-life bills shouldn't agitate the choicers so much. Medical ostracism or don't the abortionists seek out the admitting privileges? My mind always latches onto the odd pattern.
DeleteIt is not a medical problem, but a political/religious problem: fomented by the TRAP
Deleteconcept-
"Regulations applying only to abortion clinics are sometimes called TRAP (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers) laws. According to Mother Jones and The New Republic they create standards that may be arbitrary or difficult to implement and are aimed at closing abortion clinics. For example, some laws require abortion clinics to meet the same standards as ambulatory surgical centers, which entail renovations that are prohibitively expensive for some clinics. Others require that doctors performing abortions have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. Some hospitals refuse admitting privileges to any doctor who performs abortions. Opponents of admitting privileges laws and other TRAP laws include the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Public Health Association, and the American Medical Association, which have argued that such laws are medically unnecessary and that abortion is already very safe in the United States." Long story short,
a convoluted route around Roe V Wade. If they get
unreasonably stringent, like Texas, they are found
in violation of the constitution. ...I guess.
Again though it seems to me most doctors these days have admitting privileges. Kind of a contradiction imo. If your typical pro-choice clinic does so much more (pap smears, breast cancer screenings etc.) then you'd expect most to have those privileges. Typical docs spend half the time in the office, the other roaming hospital corridors making sure their patients get the right treatment or maybe abortionists are like gas station mechanics, they only do the one or two things. Maybe I'm treading on holy ground here.
DeleteHospitals have a staff which reviews admitting privilege applications: two things adversely affect
Deleteabortion providers, one they seldom have to use a
hospital and hospitals don't like that (they consider a doctor with a lot of hospital needs will
bring in business and $$), and other hospitals either frown on abortion or fear backlash (especially in the Red South). Dunno, you would think if an abortion turned serious, most hospitals
would accept the case. (although I remember in Ireland where that pregnant woman bled to death in the waiting room). BTW, I was busy googling my tendon/fluid buildup and after inhaling countless
sonograms, diagrams, descriptions and prognoses, I found a site which exactly explained my problem. I
was elated until I got to the part that read "so, if
your horse has these signs, take it into the vet"
So what you're saying basically is the Woman's Health Resource or Services mainly does abortions but not much else related to women's health (maybe some bc). Maybe a better name might be Joe's Abortion Clinic.
DeleteNot exactly. The clinics do far more pap smears,
Deletex-rays, sonograms and prescription procedures. Those
require even less potential hospital access. One
rationale is the hospital would receive very little
from the physician, so from a business standpoint they don't want to bother with the paperwork, certification, etc. And of course many hospitals
are loath to have shouting picketers in pediatrics
and ERs.
I'm thinking too there's some medical ostracism at work. Here we have a well-reputed hospital with respectable doctors walking the halls and down the street is that clinic and even if the hospital staff is pro-choice there's the outlier character of the abortionist and his trade.
DeleteHere's a HUGE problem with society being so sharply divided over abortion: pro-life man likes pro-choice woman/pro-life woman loves pro-choice man. Romance killer in my book. Isn't it better to have a social consensus on the issue of the day?
ReplyDeleteSeems true. My middle daughter broke up with a fellow
DeletePhD who was a raving Evangelical and Republican. All
they had in common was the cutting edge of microbiology. It was almost like finding out he was
gay as far as she was concerned..and probably likewise. Never The Twain, etc. I assume that a mature couple could navigate pro-choice/life, you know one picketing the clinic, the other volunteering there perhaps. The nitty-gritty of divorce is most
commonly $$$..we ponder the social consensus of say
a terrorist married to an FBI agent. Yikes!
Many moons ago I became interested in a divorced woman with two kids. At the time I had written a few pro-life letters to our local paper. I'm only speculating she's pro-choice but the whole thing never taxi'ed off the runway. For me the pain of rejection lies in the sheer mystery of it. The real reason lies in a sealed envelope somewhere.
DeleteAristotle would note that there would be no abortions if there were no pregnancies and no pregnancies if there were no sex. All lifeforms propagate, reproduction being one of
ReplyDeletethe defining attributes of life. Even rudimentary prokaryotes have
"sex" by exchanging genetic cells when they find each other.
Fireworks and bells? not likely..but is is a unicellular
compulsion. And so on up the tree of life complexity. The
question is why? Why propagation of the species? Does each
lifeform subconsciously need to replace itself, multiply?
Richard Dawkins 'The Selfish Gene' claims a chemical drive,
genes using their animal to make more and better new genes,
and considering all the descendants of Genghis Khan discovered in studies of population Y-chromosomes that makes some sense, but doesn't answer why. Religion offers
"God wants more people to worship him", or as the Mormons
note "heavenly machinery is cranking out new souls and they
need bodies". Fine, but that doesn't explain say,
flatworms and cobras. IMO, there is no satisfactory answer
about the reason for the sex drive, other than without it
life would quickly die out. This circular reasoning leads us to why abortion is demonized: life is important, critical
to the living and terminating it is illegal in all societies. Yet even the early Greeks, who were supposed to be smart and civilized practiced abortion and even abandoning newborns for various reasons. Born, unborn, defining the beginning of life involve both science, society, religion, philosophy and we ponder life..and know it is short. Ask a Mayfly .
Well that's the strange character of the whole abortion thing. Was the sex necessary? Yes and no. The social conservative would say it could have waited meanwhile the liberal might be dressed as a phallus in the local LGBT parade.
DeleteWell, I tend liberal, but have never been to a Kanamara Matsuri festival...being old enough to remember Pearl Harbor, I guess.
DeleteWas the sex necessary? Ask a Saint .
DeleteI'm always suspicious of saints like Aquinas who never did anything wrong. Made out with a couple of strippers on the eve of Y2K. Was it technically morally wrong? Yes. Do I feel so horrible about it I can't go on living? No, you can relate to it. God wants something to forgive.
DeleteGod must have a heck of a big in-out box.
DeleteTitillating guilt- knew a guy who accidently opened a Playboy back in the 50s. He mentioned it often and
Deletefelt impure, almost a guilt obsession. He also carried a 9mm and thought there was no holocaust.
Knew a guy in HS and there was the open secret he was a porn addict but he always substituted "darn" for "damn" and "heck" for "hell." Probably figured he's balancing out his vices. Every strip bar has a moral crusader (e.g. "You have a nice face, you don't have to do this") but why is HE there?
DeleteWonder if the Karma of the vices has a point system?
DeleteLike 1-15 are Vedic venals, the other 5 mortals?
You can have the same person be unkind to you one day and give to the homeless the next. I've seen this moral calculus in action. It's like they're vaguely aware of the day of reckoning. Give a few coins to the homeless after gossiping about a co-worker and so buy your way into heaven.
DeleteYou touch on the common sense garden variety of the
Deletemedieval complexities of partial and plenary indulgences . Or, as priest salesman Johann Tetzel used to chant "When a penny in the coffer rings, a soul from Purgatory springs". You nailed
a concept that runs through the ages and whether it
works or not it ameliorates feelings of guilt.
The other negative thing we have right now is the high divorce rate. My theory - the primary reason people marry is social conformity, an unwritten social pressure to marry and people are mostly unaware of this. This explains the frenzied and messy dating scene. Life is short etc. etc. This is not to say there's no degree of love involved, there is but imo most people get married because it's the socially correct thing to do thus over time you see it not working out. Just my POV, I could be wrong;)
ReplyDeleteIt is sort of a social conformity; primitive tribes tended to be family clans. In Genesis, these clans
Deleteare transcribed in the Genesis 'begats'. And so on up
to the family on Walton's Mountain. In the past, the parents cared for the kids, the kids helped the parents and in their old age the kids cared for the parents. The social family construct was apparently
more successful that say chimpanzee anarchy. As for divorce, it has become more acceptable: people make
poor choices, people change, etc. We are also seeing, as of late, many people who choose not to marry, primarily based on economics, but other reasons as well. I had an aunt who was a country
school teacher in the WI norhthwoods. She was good at it and liked it, but in those days for whatever reason, married women could not teach and she left the profession and had 6 kids. Social mores continually change; my wife was fired at a fabric
store when she happily announced her pregnancy back
in the late 60s.
IMO many people who choose not to marry do so because they haven't dound their soulmates. Your soulmate may be living on the other side of the world or some feel maybe in the next lifetime. The late actress Maria Schneider from Last Tango when asked during an interview about her never marrying and having kids simply said "it was not in my destiny and I have no regrets." Many people fall deeply in love with someone and luckily the other person feels the same but many times it's unrequited. IMO you don't really fall in love with someone that often. It'll definitely happen at least once for most people and there's a good chance it can happen a second time, a third time perhaps but maybe not. Now in those one two or three instances if the other person is in love with you it all works out but in many cases it's like that old Smokey Robinson song. Also I think your 50 year marriages took root in an era when so many women didn't hate men like today (that's an overgeneralization but it is out there). Also in those bygone days men would pursue women and it was not uncommon for a woman to say yes after two or three no's. Nowadays mostly due to feminism that's kind of illegal. I think that's the American scene anyway and in Europe the women are more realistic about all these matters. Mores and rules are constantly changing and it's hard to keep up.
DeleteSaty has touched on this but there's even more social pressure to have children and women with kids often feel superior to the childless (time off etc.). Better to even have one out of wedlock than not at all goes the thinking. Chef at work asked me once "not even one?" and I go as far as I know. I mean early in my life I was somewhat adventurous but it's like you committed some type of crime against society if you don't have one.
ReplyDeleteI know several very well qualified couples who chose to remain childless. Most claim that the population is already too high, but there is also the fact that it costs upwards of $30,000 to raise one child. Probably why Double Income, No Kids abbreviates to
DeleteDINK. No crime committed, but the people with eight kids getting up in the night to change diapers are
sometimes jealous, ya know?
Seems to me at least in my current job they seem to judge you if you don't have offspring but maybe that's a socioeconomic thing or even religious like you're not furthering the race. I also think the hetero ethic is still predominant like I've worked with a lesbian or two and someone will make comments like they never married or had their cherry popped and I feel like saying hey dope why don't you put your thinking cap on for a minute and ponder a little.
DeleteA space probe that has been zipping through space for 10 years and traveled 5.3 billion miles touched down on the
ReplyDeletecomet 67P Churyumov-Gerasimenko yesterday. Score one for
hated government and the awesome computer. A couple weeks back, a Tesla self-driving car drove at top speed under a turning semi-truck, stopped only by a tree a few hundred feet further. Score -1 for much admired private enterprise
and a lobotomied computer that was probably pushing Amazon
specials. Houston, do we have a problem?
How 'bout sending a probe to Uranus?
ReplyDeleteThat is routinely done 14 million times a year, according to the AMA. They also report the MDs involved make an average of $435,000 a year. Just think, a Prober Robot could save a ton.
DeleteI'm unfamiliar w/SCOTUS rules. Apparently 8 can rule on the most critical issues of the day which doesn't seem quite fair. Let's say Roberts has a heart attack can 7 rule?
ReplyDeleteNot sure. Probably. The congress refuses to act on
Deletethe current appointee (Senator Johnson (R-WI) said he would not vote to confirm until there is a GOP president. If others feel that way, we may be down
to one or two, dunno. Bork might have had a chance back in the day until he stepped into Nixon's AG
slot on 10-19-73 after Elliot Richardson and William
Ruckelshaus resigned rather than follow Nixon's order.
Bork later wondered if showing up the Attorney General Limousine and firing Archibald Cox worsened
his reputation.
My opinion for what it's not worth is a full court should have ruled on TX. It's bad enough it didn't go our way but the Eight makes it seem sort of quasi.
DeleteA woman's been arrested for stalking and threatening to kill Stephen Hawking at a conference in Spain's Canary Islands. Was she upset about string theory, the multiverse or did he spurn her?
ReplyDeleteShe had some sort of mental problems. Maybe his artificial digital voice was a turn-on? Does Dr.
DeleteHawking have concealed carry?
It's funny when I read something like this and the news goes the person has mental problems as opposed to another person who does the exact same thing and doesn't have a mental problem.
DeleteMovie stars and celebrities seem to be the usual
Deletetargets. Divorced spouses often see stalking among
the commoners. Then you have the stalkers that feel they were unfairly fired. I guess the 'mental problem' hinges on whether a criminal is a psychopath or just robs for a living; and then the
pleading 'momentary insanity' pre-trial strategy.
IMO, a guy that beat ALS wouldn't fear a stalker
much.
Guy told me once if you "bump" into the same person 10X in the same day that's stalking. Don't understand the time and effort put into such a campaign. It's an important subject but at times has the usual hallmarks of a moral panic. There's actually experts and authorities and they conduct studies and have categories like a field guide to stalkers. Hawking though I thought would be very low on the list of potential targets.
DeleteSo as we all know St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes, hopeless cases, of things despaired of. There are many websites and I was looking at one with the usual prayer intentions and one caught my eye because it said "removed by the blog administrator." Wonder what that could've been about.
ReplyDeleteMy guess, a middle aged lady stalker that couldn't keep up with Hawking's turbocharged chair; that being, inter alia, her lost cause. St. Jude himself
Deleteis probably distressed, given all the lost cause prayers. All Saint Barbara has to do, on the other hand, is keep people from being struck by lightning.
Speaking of lightning strikes, have you seen the latest rage? Thundershirts, a Velcro wrap for dogs that are afraid of storms. When I was in grade school I had a cocker spaniel that was terrified of thunder and lighting. He would sit on my lap and
Deleteshake and whimper. As the lightning zipped and cracked, my Grandma said, "They say dogs draw lightning." I launched poor Sandy about five feet in the air.
The basic problem with prayer intentions is I'm 120% convinced of the rightness of my requests but does God agree? That'd be problem #1 and it's not like there's a 1-800 # we can call.
DeleteEver notice miracles are not as common as back in
Deletebiblical times?
Like where is the mighty parting of the Mediterranean Sea so the thousands of refugees can escape ISIS?
DeleteWell, Demille & Heston parted it in
Delete1956. They were both Episcopalians, so there is an outside chance that praying though an Anglican martyr might provide a slight miracle.
Like maybe across the Saw Mill River in your neighborhood?
In your youth you were on fire with a righteous anger. You wanted to right the wrongs of the world both minor and major. Now it's just angst in a bottle;)
ReplyDeleteI'll have a drink of angst to that.
DeleteWhile we were watching fireworks, 365 million miles up in the solar system the robot space craft Juno slipped into planetary orbit around Jupiter.
ReplyDeleteDo you suppose one of these days some weird creature will
stare into it's curious lens?