Friday, July 20, 2012

With Obama's reelection looming is this the best time to have a conservative crackup?

Re conservatives, conservative bloggers who won't vote for Romney, not getting the overall theory here.  Liberals must love our little internal debates it can only help their guy time and again.  I say pragmatism before idealism -- defeat Obama first then talk about purifying the Party.  Now the case is being made that we should reelect a president with unemployment still over 8%, it's a weak case to be sure, it's unusual in terms of how Americans typically vote on the overall economy in presidential elections but it is being made nonetheless by BB, Dave Miller and liberals in general.  The difference between us and them, deep down they must know that Obama leaves much to be desired, his first term has to be disappointing for them but in general you don't hear this being expressed by most liberals (I know you're gonna highlight and link to some of the dissidents, go right on ahead).  What are they gonna say the first African-American president kinda sucks?  In short they're all on the same page and have to make the most of it, the Mission is more important.  I'm sure they think the same way about us, it's far more important to get Obama reelected and work out the kinks later than to let a Republican win.  There's always a conservative crackup perking underneath the surface but never a liberal crackup it seems and I don't really count the liberal idiosyncratics club with members like Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan.  A wise for his years young manager of mine a few years back once said you have to choose your battles by which he means you can't go with everything that agitates you, there be some things that are more important at least for the time being.  What I see some conservatives doing here is a kind of messy multitasking and they're doing it out loud.  They're all over the map, they want Obama the Marxist defeated of course but they also hate their own party and are complaining about it and that doesn't help the first cause...it's just such a muddled approach.  There are those for example who want Obama defeated and at the same time want to end the Federal Reserve today, one is definitely doable the other is a pipe dream for now.  I think though y'all should be invited to Obama's second Inaugural Ball, Michael Fumento will drive:)  

18 comments:

  1. So much harder to keep up when I am in Oaxaca...

    But since you mentioned me, I feel like I owe you a response.

    First, yes I am a lib, at least as it is defined today.

    I like Obama, but like many, am disappointed in the results we have seen from him so far.

    I will supporting him again in 2012 because do not believe the GOP, for whom I have voted in the past and walked precincts, has much of anything new to offer.

    The things we have tried the last 10 years or so have not been good to us. Objective people will acknowledge that while Obama has been lacking, many of our current problems finds their roots before he took office.

    To turn him out of office, seems tantamount to firing a baseball coach for not winning when he was given a bunch of crappy players.

    I see him at B- at this point.

    As for Romney, I admit I am trying to figure out how a GOP supporter stands up for someone who has almost literally been on both sides of every major issue in the last 20 years.

    Talk about being for something before being against it...

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  2. Could look at it both ways, he's massively inconsistent or he has an open mind and is open to new evidence. You about sum up my point though which is that we all have our political favorites and as such they are often lacking but what's more important is beating the other guy or gal so we throw our full support behind our person. All I'm saying to my fellow libertarian bloggers and others is can't we at least wait until we throw Obama out of office and then commence with our own housecleaning? First things first, by voting for someone other than Romney it diverts from the Main Goal which is to make Obama a 1-termer. My approach is more structured.

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  3. Indeed, the conservatives are not overly excited by Romney, but we dislike the direction that Obama is taking us. Libertarians like Chris the Soapster think we need to hit rock bottom with a progressive liberal at the helm to make people see that liberalism is the cause and is bad; me, I realize that people are blinded by loyal partisan politics and will never realize it no matter how bad it gets. Look, even Dave here is blaming Bush, I mean come on, that is such a tired excuse, Reagan followed Carter and see how he turned things around, and not by blaming his predecessor but by (shocking idea to the left) he actually DID something about the problems he inherited.

    BTW, many conservatives would point out that President Bush was socially conservative but otherwise a big government liberal, so if you blame him for the mess our economy is in, then blame big government policies, which as you will notice did not work for President Obama either. We on the right are not surprised, I truly wish Americans and our politicians would realize what actually works. Rant over.

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  4. You can't debate soapster, his idealism always gets the better of him. If we're not all behind Romney then prepare for an Obama 2nd term. Maybe he'll enshrine abortion rights and put them in a glass case, maybe he'll push for a single-payer system since he's on the record as preferring that, maybe he'll eventually get Rush off the air like he did with Glenn Beck's Fox TV show (my theory) and I'll take a Romney for now. Romney is like some interim manager you sometimes get at work, maybe not the greatest but he'll get you through until somebody better comes along.

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  5. I'm not concerned with political solutions. I am concerned with people solutions.

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  6. You're always looking for the perfect candidate when one doesn't exist in the real world. I say if Romney is the best one to defeat Obama and he ain't as bad as Bob Dole practicality enters into it yes. I don't think now's the best time to start connipping that most conservatives suck.

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  7. "You're always looking for the perfect candidate..."

    No. I'm really not. Truth is I'm not looking for a candidate at all. I never was.

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  8. How 'bout Fred Willard?

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  9. I admire Chris for his views, what I don't like is that he doesn't respect ours.

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  10. You're more than entitled to yours Beth. Just don't try to convince me they are something they are not.

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  11. Apparently we have faulty reasoning or something. My only point with Obama definitely having a good shot at a second term is is this the time to get all pure? I'm not looking for a perfect candidate just someone who respects the American Dream.

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  12. American Dream?

    You don't say....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

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  13. The government helped you sir soapster to make you who you are, haven't you heard?

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  14. Beth, again, for probably the millionth time, pointing out a fact, is not placing blame.

    There are no serious economists who even try to say that the roots of our economic problems started in the Obama Administration.

    Why do you continue to see stating a fact, as placing blame?

    For all you know, i was talking about president Clinton who worked to demolish the Glass-Stegal Act.

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  15. The roots of our economic problems did not start with Obama, I agree Dave but his policies imo have made the situation worse (you say we're improving in baby steps at a time). I think if Obama had the right policies to begin with like Reagan we'd be making some real progress and people would stop talking about George Bush.

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  16. If Obama had the right policies like Reagan? RR began the economic decline with trickle-down :
    Since then real wages have stagnated while worker procuctivity doubled. Where did that $$ go? To the top. Did they invest it? Yep, overseas. Now we
    observe Paul Ryan for VP: his plan
    is to cut social security and medicare. OK. What to do with that $$? Tax breaks for the uber
    rich. Trickle-down is two story
    outhouse stuff: in every other way it is economic folly.

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  17. We can discuss RR's foreign policy if you like, the Fall of Communism...

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  18. The USSR come-apart would have happened regardless-Afghanistan,
    Chechnia, Glasnost. IMO, Reagan's best foreign policy was pulling the Marines out of Lebanon...the
    worst invading Grenada. No use
    going into trickledown-you know I consider it the two story outhouse effect...

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